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Post by BackinBlack on May 15, 2012 10:58:48 GMT -5
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Post by BackinBlack on Jun 8, 2012 17:23:48 GMT -5
Saw it today. I thought it was alright, but I didn't like it as much as I thought it would. While it was cool seeing all the creatures and learning about the origins of the Xenomorphs, a few things just didn't work for me: * None of the characters were likable to me. I applaud Michael Fassbender as the android David, but I didn't care for his character or anyone else for that matter. The main character of Dr. Elizabeth Shaw was annoying to me. She was letting her personal feelings cloud her judgment in her actions. I was thinking, "Just stop and get the hell off that rock you idiot!" * It didn't answer all the questions, but even though it sets up a sequel, I still feel it should have been more compressed. In comparison, I feel like Rise of the Planet of the Apes was a good enough movie on its own and I wouldn't have minded if it had a sequel. Prometheus, not so much. Overall, I'd give it a C.
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Post by Caveboy0 on Jun 10, 2012 11:50:03 GMT -5
what about the pilot? i haven't seen it yet, but i hear that everyone likes him.
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Post by socool on Jun 10, 2012 18:08:30 GMT -5
Just saw it. It was...okay. I feel like I was expecting a lot more. Fassabender's Dvid was the only remotely interesting character, sadly, and the story itself really didn't go anywhere interesting. I did appreciate the amount of creatures, though, and the action was awesome. But once again, it just wasn't anything special. The best part was easily the ending. Boy. I was smiling so much when I saw that.
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Post by mr. excellent on Jun 12, 2012 4:01:19 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree. Before I go into that though, yes Cavey, the pilot was likable. When I think about Dr. Shaw’s actions, I almost agree with you BIB, but when you think about the way things would’ve turned out had she listened to David, I think she haphazardly took the best course of action (even if she wasn’t aware of how well it would turn out for her). As far as leaving the planet goes, I’m torn here. When you’ve found something as profound as what they did, I think the pull to stay is quite compelling. I saw this film with a friend, and his take on it sort of changed my opinion on the whole thing, to be honest. He said “It’s a wonder that we’d want to explore space to begin with. There are so many things out there that will kill you, whether it’s extreme temperatures, the lack of atmosphere, the space debris, the severe pressure changes, etc. It’s insane that we leave this planet. Yet we do it because we want to see what’s out there. That curiosity is what defines us.” Perhaps, that curiosity is not characteristic of all of us (I think I’d be too freaked to do what Dr. Shaw ends up doing), but I think that the crew’s behavior is representative of what a team of explorers would do in their situation. My biggest complaint with this film is that it wasn’t quite as smart as I was hoping it would be. It’s definitely a very well thought out film in terms of building the mythos, but I didn’t have my mind blown in a philosophical way. 2001: A Space Odyssey, there’s a film that I haven’t figured out. I was kinda hoping I’d get a little bit of that, just a little bit, with this. Regardless, I like how the story unfolded, and I think that Prometheus was better than any of the Alien films prior to it (I can't speak for the fourth film, as I didn't see that one). Welcome back Mr. Scott. May you come back to do another and answer some of the questions that you left for future installments. Before I go though, I do have some questions. What motivated David to kill David Marshall Green's character? I don't recall Charlize Theron's character telling him to kill Green, even though she did threaten him in the hallway. I thought she just wanted him to eavesdrop on them. Also, why did he disobey Theron and block her vision of what he was seeing? The answer to that one might be simple. I think Weyland had David programmed so that his most imperative function would be to find the Xenomorph's. Once David found their control room, Weyland's objective became more important than Theron's orders, and David was able to shut her out.
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Post by mr. excellent on Jun 12, 2012 15:03:32 GMT -5
I forgot to mention this, did anyone else see it in 3D?
Like ASM, Ridley Scott shot this film in native 3D. The film delivered, without question, the best 3D experience I've ever had. It was subtle, but during certain scenes, it really shined. I say this with some trepidation, because every time someone praises the 3D in a film, and I watch that film, the 3D never lives up to the hype. Just know that this is one of the few films worth seeing in 3D. It is absolutely seamless.
EDIT: I do understand a little bit better now, why some people were disappointed in Prometheus as a prequel. Some opportunities were lost in connecting the film to Alien, even though the set up was partially there.
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Post by Caveboy0 on Jun 12, 2012 19:28:44 GMT -5
i always took to heart when scott said it wasn't a prequel.
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Post by mr. excellent on Jun 14, 2012 14:04:07 GMT -5
You know what, I stumbled across some really meticulous details over the past two days that make me understand better why Ridley Scott isn't calling this a pure prequel. I posted the link below. The movie is a bit misleading though (without intending to be), because with a few very minor changes, it very well could have been. So, I stand corrected. Prometheus exists in the same universe as the first two Alien films, as previously stated. When you see the movie (or for those who already have), you may see why I thought there was more to it than that, in terms of the connection to Alien. screenrant.com/prometheus-changes-alien-vic-178488/
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Post by Caveboy0 on Jun 16, 2012 18:08:58 GMT -5
just saw it and i agree with excellent and a bit further i thought it was great now i understand the… i'll use call it the way lane industry plot line... was unnecessary and i agree at that point I would have called the movie just good and the second coming of a certain character was lame. i agree it was not a perfect film and had some glaring problems, but I still really enjoyed the film. the canon fodder was just kind of like okay here we go again, but to be a bit blunt i think you guys are being too cynical about these characters. the main ones at least. i thought Shaw answered your question fairly simply. It's human nature to ask why. To ask questions and find the answers that aren't really necessary for anything more than simple understanding. why exactly are we trying to find the source of gravity? its pure understanding and important to science, but its not like we are going to die until we understand gravity. I liked Shaw's drive and her curiosity. I thought the pilot was hilarious and balanced out Vickers in a very human way. Of cousre… that Fass. His performance was rather nuanced to sound fancy. It's excellence was in the subtlety of it all. And of course the most intense and visceral scene of the movie. I think we all know this scene. Still can't shake it off. Excellently terrifying scene, but morbidly thrilling. I just can't be all that ho hum about this film that entertained me in so many ways. Now… I also have my theory and its my understanding of why i love this movie. finally a spoiler warning preceding this. okay so these engineers for the same reason the prometheus mission and many things in science are done are creating life and all around messing with genetics because they can and want to see if they can but as we can only assume knowledge becomes perverted or perhaps it always was a perverted reason. They eventually create bases on life sustaining planets. These military research facilities of sorts. The goal is to create genetic weapons. maybe it went wrong maybe it went right, but the moment that keyed it into my brain was when the Engineer opened up the way to fly the ship. The same structure we saw in Alien. don't you get it!?
Alien also took place on a ship! Similar facility. Similar or the same goals only they managed to progress further than the one we saw in Prometheus, but on a different planet. By the end of the film that alien thing was clearly similar to a face hugger... a giant one. This is not a prequel it is a proof of concept. What happened here can happen anywhere else in their other facilities only much worse. Instead of the vases of genetic goo they would have the face hugger pods.
Now again you can talk about the queen, but remember the queen was in Aliens, which may not be canon according to Ridley Scott. I say according to RS not as if he said that, but perhaps to him Aliens doesn't count.
So yeah I really enjoyed the movie. I'm forgiving some of the bad moments for some really really awesome moments and I am excited for where the sequel will go and hope it's a more complete movie, but where it stands I liked the important characters, besides the boyfriend scientist, and I'm simply sold on it. People suggested that in sequels it will become clearer that it is a prequel, but look at the set up for the sequel. How can that possibly lead into Alien?
This is a spin off I'd say end of story. I can always be proven wrong by a sequel, but I'm pretty confident Scott's idea was to just explain the why to Alien. The idea of a highly advanced civilization and world having dangerous experimental research facilities/ships in genetic manipulation and potentially warfare on remote planets. As I said Alien takes place on a different ship/facility with similar but different results.
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Post by BackinBlack on Jun 25, 2012 11:15:26 GMT -5
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Post by Caveboy0 on Jun 25, 2012 13:57:26 GMT -5
pretty stupid reasons not to like people. you didn't run away from something right? that's why you didn't like Shaw?
and never disagreed with the stupid people but they aren't the main characters so does it really matter?
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Post by mr. excellent on Jun 25, 2012 14:07:21 GMT -5
That was the funniest thing I've seen in a long time BIB. I liked the characters though.
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Post by BackinBlack on Jun 25, 2012 23:50:56 GMT -5
pretty stupid reasons not to like people. you didn't run away from something right? that's why you didn't like Shaw? and never disagreed with the stupid people but they aren't the main characters so does it really matter? I stated before that I didn't like Shaw because her personal feelings affected her actions, and even after everything that happened, including losing her husband and getting pregnant with and aborting a proto-facehugger, she still wanted to find answers about the creation of life to satisfy some childhood curiosity. I understand her motivation, but what else needs to happen to her before she says "fuck it, I'm going home."?
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Post by Caveboy0 on Jun 26, 2012 0:31:42 GMT -5
what is there to go home to?
all she has left is a question. idk if you noticed but she was about to kill herself at the end. let the oxygen bleed out while she dies. she has nothing to live for. she wants answers about everything that happened to her and the people she cared about. i don't question it.
her motivation is to make sense of a chaotic situation. she needed a reason to live and a way to get to the engineers of it all is that motivation.
as for the events prior to it what about her character said she wouldn't let her emotions get in the way? fine have a problem with it, but it's not wrong. it defines the character. separates her from vickers.
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Post by BackinBlack on Aug 1, 2012 16:50:41 GMT -5
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