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Post by Caveboy0 on Aug 25, 2010 19:12:55 GMT -5
how is this different then the arc cameo?
it doesn't take much time at all and it shows continuity. thats the purpose of his cameo in TDK. he wasn't captured and was captured and is a reeccuring villain. not many super hero movies have that going on right now.
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Post by aliensuit1495 on Aug 25, 2010 19:16:26 GMT -5
I didn't get what you meant at first. You and your odd mispellings make me rexamine your sentences
And I get what you mean, but it really could have been more meaningful than that. And i think it should be if you're going to continue to do it.
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Post by Caveboy0 on Aug 25, 2010 20:27:09 GMT -5
It's a simple cameo I don't see why your so against it.
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Post by aliensuit1495 on Aug 25, 2010 20:28:51 GMT -5
It's a simple cameo I don't see why your so against it. I'm not strictly against it, I just want them to give him more purpose.
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Post by Spidey 1923 on Sept 1, 2010 1:29:09 GMT -5
Robin Williams has moved to quash rumours that he will be in The Dark Knight sequel.
He said: "They've now made it seem like I'm lobbying to play the Riddler in the new movie. "
"It's not true. I was once offered the Joker, then they offered me the Riddler. I've been punked twice, don't punk me again!" "Now I get the angry people saying, 'He should never play that part!"
Williams had expressed interest in the role of the Joker in The Dark Knight, the sequel to 2005's Batman Begins, although the part of the Joker was played by Heath Ledger, who went on to win, posthumously, the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor.
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Aug 8, 2010 0:33:03 GMT -5
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Post by Arcainite on Sept 1, 2010 8:48:37 GMT -5
thank god Nolan is doing this because if Burton was, you know who would be playing Riddler why would burton be doing it? he has done it before and i loved both his films I think he just doesn't like Johnny Depp, even though I think he could do Deadshot ok. I wouldn't really want him for Riddler. I'm hoping for Black Mask as well. He's like a "what if?" Bruce Wayne was evil and twisted. I wouldn't be opposed to Penguin, though. Maybe the masks could unite under Black Mask's Falsefacers and Penguin could unite the anti-masks.
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Post by Caveboy0 on Sept 1, 2010 9:49:19 GMT -5
i always had the idea of penguin being the rich supplier for the mobs.
i never really thought of mask as an evil batman. hush is an evil bruce wayne and red hood is sort maybe not evil, but for sure a darker batman.
idk i don't really see much of a parallel between mask and batman.
and they already that parallel in TDK between two-face and batman.
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Aug 8, 2010 0:33:03 GMT -5
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Post by Arcainite on Sept 1, 2010 14:54:54 GMT -5
i always had the idea of penguin being the rich supplier for the mobs. i never really thought of mask as an evil batman. hush is an evil bruce wayne and red hood is sort maybe not evil, but for sure a darker batman. idk i don't really see much of a parallel between mask and batman. and they already that parallel in TDK between two-face and batman. They could use Penguin as a supplier like in No Man's Land, but would they build him up enough or is he only not a feature star because they think this might be the last in the series since Nolan's said he's going to get out after this 3rd one. I just hope we get to see an umbrella machine-gun mow some bodies down, or some other umbrella-device (helicopter, gas, flamethrower, etc.). As for Black Mask, Hush, and Batman: Both were "friends" as children because of their parents. This is where the simularities divurge: 1) Batman = anti-social, leaves even his closest allies feeling slighted; Black Mask = effective leader, people flock to him to be led because of the force of his personality, even when he was a crazy cultist. 2) Both wear their masks because of their parents, but Roman resented his parents for their high standards, and Bruce loved his for their acceptance. 3) Both are driven, capable of pushing their bodies further than most. They are great in combat: Black Mask once killed the Red Hood right in front of Batman but it turned out to be just a Red Hood-hired hitman. Neither is very graceful in fighting; they're both very brutal. 4) They've both loved and lost women because of their double life. Roman lost Circe because he was willing to risk anything, and Bruce has lost so many girlfriends because he doesn't want them at risk. 5) It's personal: Black Mask "killed" Robin IV (Stephanie) and Catwoman's brother-in-law (feeding his eyes to her sister). Bruce Wayne's monopolizing caused Roman to make hasty business decisions then bought out the Sionis cosmetics company in a hostile takeover. Then, Batman's interference got his mask burned permanently into his face. Hush is a loner who can't even maintain his alliance with Riddler. Batman and Black Mask have capes/masks who follow them looking for strong leadership. Hush isn't a leader and that's what Gotham is looking for in this upcoming movie. The Black Mask and the False Face Society / Falsefacers have what it takes to take Gotham's hunting of the Batman to its chilling conclusion.
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Post by Caveboy0 on Sept 1, 2010 16:19:52 GMT -5
meh i don't really see a strong comparison to batman.
red hood and hush are much better parallels to batman then black mask. vigilante that crosses batman's one rule and a twisted bruce wayne.
i guess its all perspective ---------------
black mask would be a cool villain, but i don't see why you would highlight him "killing" the little known and not well liked 4th robin.
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Aug 8, 2010 0:33:03 GMT -5
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Post by Arcainite on Sept 1, 2010 19:12:27 GMT -5
meh i don't really see a strong comparison to batman. red hood and hush are much better parallels to batman then black mask. vigilante that crosses batman's one rule and a twisted bruce wayne. i guess its all perspective --------------- black mask would be a cool villain, but i don't see why you would highlight him "killing" the little known and not well liked 4th robin. I wouldn't have Stephanie/Spoiler/Robin IV come before Dick/Nightwing/Batman III. Christian Bale won't play Batman if they include Robin, so it wasn't even on the table. He could still kill Catwoman's brother-in-law though.
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Post by Caveboy0 on Sept 1, 2010 20:24:38 GMT -5
who was the second batman?
imo i dont' consider stephanie brown a robin. she was robin for barely any time. i looked online and DC execs say she isn't considered an official robin and neither do i.
damian is the 4th robin to me.
----------- no offense to mask here, but are those seriously his "crowning" achievements? my god they are so lame.
i'm sorry but they are so bad that if i was mask i would pretend they never happened. i mean seriously the 4th robin? and he didn't even kill her. and catwoman's brother in law? are you kidding? how obscure and insignificant is that!
its not mask's fault he wasn't around early on. never got a chance to leave his mark. but seriously why give him those accomplishments.
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Post by Arcainite on Sept 2, 2010 11:58:34 GMT -5
who was the second batman? imo i dont' consider stephanie brown a robin. she was robin for barely any time. i looked online and DC execs say she isn't considered an official robin and neither do i. damian is the 4th robin to me. ----------- no offense to mask here, but are those seriously his "crowning" achievements? my god they are so lame. i'm sorry but they are so bad that if i was mask i would pretend they never happened. i mean seriously the 4th robin? and he didn't even kill her. and catwoman's brother in law? are you kidding? how obscure and insignificant is that! its not mask's fault he wasn't around early on. never got a chance to leave his mark. but seriously why give him those accomplishments. Azrael / Jean-Paul Valley was the second Batman. I'm surprised you didn't know that. I've got the Batman / Punisher crossover with him as Batman. He was given Bruce's approval after Bane broke Batman's back. Jean-Paul was being too brutal, though, so Bruce's swift rehabilitation was because of that. Also, Stephanie was too Robin IV, and Tim Drake even had a shrine built for her in Titans Tower with her Robin costume. Even Batman thought she was dead. Leslie Thompson miraculously saved her life and shipped her out of Gotham to heal from her torture ordeal. I don't know why you insist on embarassing yourself with lack of knowledge about Batman. Is it because Batman and his rogues' gallery are not as high on my priority list that you feel the need to fight about him, because you and BiB like him so much? Think about when Crisis restarted the DC Universe. That was like '85-'86, right? Black Mask's first appearance was in '85. So, with the revamp, Black Mask IS one of the first villains.
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Post by Caveboy0 on Sept 2, 2010 14:42:15 GMT -5
so just because i don't know obscure knowledge like you do i'm not a real fan? thats bullshit.
the robin and batman thing is just technicality. i don't like stephanie brown so i don't consider her a robin. why is that so wrong and how is that embarrassing?
batman was hurt and needed a replacement. whoop di doo. he wasn't an official replacement only temporary. dick is the second batman TO ME. again what is wrong or embarrassing about my OPINION.
and i was talking character existence in our timeline. black mask has only been around for the last 25 years of batman's 70+ years of existence.
again i DON'T discredit black mask as a villain. i like him alot i think he's cool. all i'm saying is his "big" accomplishments are obscure and lame IMO. its not his fault because again in OUR TIME. he is a new villain. if he had a longer existence maybe he could have more respectable claims to his name. the fact is he "killed" the "4th" robin and killed catwoman's brother in law. whats next? hush kills the 10th robin and talia's 3rd cousin twice removed?
no matter what you say the "4th" robin and catwoman's brother don't care much weight in character importance.
i knew about stephanie and her short stint as robin, but since i read about that i forgot about her until you made your post about it.
i'm only 18 arc. and i've only been reading comics for 4 years and only reading comic issues for barely 1 year.
so EXCUSE me for not being a super computer of knowledge like yourself. i don't have to know every little fact to be a fan.
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Post by Arcainite on Sept 2, 2010 23:00:25 GMT -5
so just because i don't know obscure knowledge like you do i'm not a real fan? thats bullshit. the robin and batman thing is just technicality. i don't like stephanie brown so i don't consider her a robin. why is that so wrong and how is that embarrassing? batman was hurt and needed a replacement. whoop di doo. he wasn't an official replacement only temporary. dick is the second batman TO ME. again what is wrong or embarrassing about my OPINION. and i was talking character existence in our timeline. black mask has only been around for the last 25 years of batman's 70+ years of existence. again i DON'T discredit black mask as a villain. i like him alot i think he's cool. all i'm saying is his "big" accomplishments are obscure and lame IMO. its not his fault because again in OUR TIME. he is a new villain. if he had a longer existence maybe he could have more respectable claims to his name. the fact is he "killed" the "4th" robin and killed catwoman's brother in law. whats next? hush kills the 10th robin and talia's 3rd cousin twice removed? no matter what you say the "4th" robin and catwoman's brother don't care much weight in character importance. i knew about stephanie and her short stint as robin, but since i read about that i forgot about her until you made your post about it. i'm only 18 arc. and i've only been reading comics for 4 years and only reading comic issues for barely 1 year. so EXCUSE me for not being a super computer of knowledge like yourself. i don't have to know every little fact to be a fan. I actually want to apologize to you, but only for my heavy-handedness. The facts are not determined by your likes and dislikes. I was ticked off at you because you seem to want to be contrary to me in 99% of whatever I try to talk about. See, when BackinBlack07 and I disagree, we don't butt heads about it. But you like to try to put other people's opinions down, and that's the hostility I was responding to. I've been able to bury the hatchet on most of my past feuds. Let's let this one drop and try to get along for the sake of everyone else on these boards.
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Post by Caveboy0 on Sept 3, 2010 0:08:08 GMT -5
to be honest i'm relieved. after i posted i was like. "i just blew up at arcainite the most knowledgable comic geek i know.... HE'S GOING TO EAT ME ALIVE!" but thankfully you didn't. i meant not disrespect to Black Mask i thought i made that clear. how many times do i have to say i think he's a cool villain? all i'm saying is that his accomplishments could have been more deservedly important if he was written earlier in batman's history (again our time not the comic time). your outlook on our (don't mean this in a gay way ) relationship i personally felt as exaggerated. its no secret we disagree on alot of things (i think alot of your opinions are crazy ) it may be hard for me to truly respect them, but what i do respect is your honest interests. you don't pretend to go against the current you really are unique in your interests. and minus your post which i obviously took offense to, i'd say your super respectful. so you may be super shocked to find anything we agree on, but i don't think we disagree as much as you think. thats all i have to say. you ended this argument before it really went anywhere. only you could do that. i accept your apology, but again i thank you for ending this argument.
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