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Post by BackinBlack on May 25, 2012 9:15:54 GMT -5
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Post by Caveboy0 on May 25, 2012 10:10:36 GMT -5
i see that the SHH community has new buzz words to hate on the film for no real reason.
"Ordin-ary, Ordin-ary, Ordin-ary"
they must be looking at the wall next to them because i've never seen a comic book movie like this is turning out to be.
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Post by mr. excellent on May 25, 2012 17:36:23 GMT -5
^^ Agreed. I've recently encountered several people who complained about the plot holes in The Dark Knight. Personally, I never noticed any but I finally got off my ass and decided to do a little research. You know what I found? Nothing. Nothing that was important anyway, it was all trivial bullshit. Maybe there are plot holes, sure, but I've combed through a few web pages and I haven't found anything significant.
The banners have been looking pretty sweet lately.
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Post by Spidey 1923 on May 25, 2012 18:58:08 GMT -5
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Post by Spidey 1923 on May 26, 2012 17:48:16 GMT -5
Spoiler regarding how Catwoman catches Bruce's attention spotted in a synopsis for a children's book: www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=60470There's a ferocious feline in town, and she's out to steal from Gotham's wealthy citizens. Unfortunately, Catwoman makes a mistake when she visits venerable citizen Bruce Wayne and takes Bruce's prized family heirloom. She thinks she made a clean escape . . . but she doesn't know who she toyed with! Which is leading people to believe: A location where Bane will attack has been confirmed as well: the Gotham City Stock Exchange
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Post by Caveboy0 on May 26, 2012 18:58:12 GMT -5
second one was obvious, but a cool place to attack and if the first one is true that is really just a "you seriously fucked up" moment. and i find that very very awesome that i feel that way about messing with Batman.
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Post by mr. excellent on May 27, 2012 15:42:46 GMT -5
I guess this confirms that rumor from the first theatrical trailer back in December. People noticed the necklace there too.
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Post by socool on May 28, 2012 17:08:46 GMT -5
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Post by Caveboy0 on May 29, 2012 1:51:39 GMT -5
was about to post that, but yeah sadly confirmed, but i feel like it can still work. bane still has to beat him down for him to rise. coming out of retirement is a lateral movement. it'll be a sort of grace period, as clearly referenced by the trailers, a calm before the storm. Batman is back and fighting off the thugs, but he's out of practice and Bane beats him maybe even takes him out of the country where he has to relearn how to become Batman as well as learn about Bane.
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Post by mr. excellent on May 29, 2012 2:28:30 GMT -5
Question: What is Bane's motive in this? To control Gotham, or to kill Batman? Is it both? I understand power hungry, and over confidence, but this guy must be crazy if he thinks the government is going to let him and his little revolution come and take over the nation's biggest city. With Ras and Joker, their plan was never to continue ruling Gotham. Ra's just wanted to destroy the city and get the hell out, while Joker could've just disappeared once the damage was done.
On a different note, in one of the newer tv spots we see two jets flying around the perimeter of the city, which begs the question: to what extent will the military be involved? I've brought this up before, but I'm not fully satisfied with the discussion. In TDK, Gordon called the national guard, but Batman kind of handled the situation within 24 hours of Joker blowing a hospital up, and rigging the bridges leading out of Gotham. If not for that, it wouldn't have made sense to have the movie continue without the army or the guard showing up. If they had shown up with humvees and all their army shit, what would've happened? It would've been a much different situation. I think it's important to consider because there's a similar set up going on here, except this time, I think we will get to see what happens when the military comes.
Here's why: If Bane is going around destroying football stadiums, and blowing up bridges (we see two of them go down in the latest trailer) the military is coming to town. They're not going to wait. I get the feeling that the intensity of the situation in this film is going to last much longer than Joker's reign of terror too (I mean, once Joker really got going). So how is Nolan going to handle that? So far as I'm speculating, Batman and the police are trying to regain control of the city. Maybe they're not all buddy-buddy like him and Gordon, but they're fighting for the same result. I doubt they can stop Batman from flying around in his aircraft with their non-weaponized helicopters if they don't agree with Batman. The military can though, and that's something that has me extremely curious.
I can't imagine that the government wants Batman around, because he's been at the center of two major strikes against one of the nation's biggest cities already. This Bane guy shows up, and one of his main purposes is to take Batman out, they're not going to want him running around, even if he's trying to help.
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Post by Caveboy0 on May 29, 2012 9:04:15 GMT -5
i have a feeling Bane is basically holding the city hostage. He blows up the bridges locking down gotham. he has a weapon that maybe the government doesn't wan to test. they can't bomb gotham that's counter productive. They can drop troops, but to go where? Bane is still going to hide after attacks.
as for his motivations in the comics he's obsessed with Batman. defeating him is psychologically imperative and controlling Gotham was the consolation prize, but it was control through organized crime not as a warlord.
in the film he seems intent on following through on Ra's plan by destroying Gotham. "When Gotham is ashes…"
we still know very little about Bane.
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Post by BackinBlack on May 29, 2012 10:49:08 GMT -5
Cavey's got good points, and I have a few more to add: Just because a city is in trouble doesn't mean the government will respond right away; remember Hurricane Katrina? And let's remember this is partially based on No Man's Land as well, where the government cut off Gotham from the rest of the world, no one gets in or out. On another topic, Christian Bale says he wouldn't rule out a 4th film just yet: www.superherohype.com/news/articles/170799-christian-bale-doesnt-rule-out-fourth-batmanSo could this mean Bruce lives by the end, or could we be seeing stories that took place after TDK? I think it was said that it was 8 years after TDK, but not that it was 8 years since he was Batman.
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Post by Caveboy0 on May 29, 2012 11:21:37 GMT -5
to comment on Katrina that was under the request of the Governor to reject Federal Aid that could be a similar situation with Gotham, whatever state it is may feel like they can just handle it themselves.
we don't know at what capacity he was batman. i don't think he just quit, but i'm sure it became more difficult to be batman being a wanted criminal. cops wouldn't just want to arrest him they'd probably open fire.
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Post by mr. excellent on May 29, 2012 12:35:30 GMT -5
Those are good points, and the bottom line is that Nolan can go several routes without involving the military and still maintain the integrity of the realism.
I have to say though that unlike Katrina, this is the third time something crazy has gone down in Gotham. If whatever state Gotham was in said "We got this", and then Bane revealed that Batman was the real reason why order was restored to Gotham the second time around, not the police or other official authorities, I'm not sure the feds would sit it out. There'd probably be a power struggle there. Especially because they already know Batman was the reason why the first major attack against Gotham failed (not including the League's manufactured economic depression). Bane will make it painfully clear to everyone that the state doesn't have it under control, Batman does.
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Post by socool on May 29, 2012 14:16:49 GMT -5
Question: What is Bane's motive in this? To control Gotham, or to kill Batman? Is it both? I understand power hungry, and over confidence, but this guy must be crazy if he thinks the government is going to let him and his little revolution come and take over the nation's biggest city. With Ras and Joker, their plan was never to continue ruling Gotham. Ra's just wanted to destroy the city and get the hell out, while Joker could've just disappeared once the damage was done. There was a spread sheet from a magazine with new pictures and an interview with the Nolan brothers and Jonathan said that Bane wants Batman dead and Gotham in ruins. I'm thinking he's working with the League of Shadows and wants to finish what Ra's started. Talia is sent in first to get close to Bruce and find a way for Bane to defeat him which leads Bane to... Capture Gordon and bring him into the sewers.
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