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Post by mr. excellent on Mar 1, 2015 14:51:09 GMT -5
Cool, I saw that one. Maybe that did get the ball rolling. I was thinking of it more in terms of both movies dealing with the world wanting to hold superheroes accountable now. With Avengers 2, you have all of this collateral damage that's going to be happening on an international scale, and that will no doubt be tackled in Captain America: Civil War. With Batman v. Superman, it's the same situation dealing with the fallout from Man of Steel.
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Post by BackinBlack on Mar 5, 2015 18:54:56 GMT -5
On the topic of the All-New Marvel universe that's supposed to come out of Secret Wars, while it's probably a given that both Peter and Miles will be part of it, I'm also kind of hoping the Gwen Stacy Spider-Woman makes it through too.
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Post by brotherandbassist on Mar 10, 2015 19:00:13 GMT -5
I am so out of the loops guys. Please fill me in on the last 5+ years of Spidey comics xd. That is literally how far behind I am
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Post by BackinBlack on Mar 10, 2015 19:14:30 GMT -5
I am so out of the loops guys. Please fill me in on the last 5+ years of Spidey comics xd. That is literally how far behind I am I'll help as best I can. What's the last thing you remember reading Spidey wise?
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Post by Webber3000 on Mar 10, 2015 20:01:04 GMT -5
Don't hold your breath, he might be gone for another 5 months! Haha, I kid Lopli... I think.
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Post by brotherandbassist on Mar 11, 2015 23:22:52 GMT -5
Honestly, about 30 issues after the ''Brand New Day'' storyline. That's the last thing I've read lol. So it's probably been even longer than I thought, right?
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Post by BackinBlack on Mar 12, 2015 0:13:19 GMT -5
Okay, I'll start from #590, since that's where I thought Spider-Man started getting good again after One More Day, though I will be jumping around.
* We find out in the altered timeline where Peter and MJ never got married, at some point following his unmasking, Peter actually asked Stark, Richards, and Strange to put up a mental block in everyone's minds to make them forget Peter was Spider-Man as well as keep them from putting the pieces together. Only MJ remained unaffected. However, if Peter chose to reveal his identity to someone, their memories would return. The mind block was lifted though during the Spider-Island arc where the Jackal unleashed a virus that gave everyone in New York spider powers, when Peter, claiming he got powers from the virus as well, called out the people of New York to use their powers to stop those using them for bad. While not technically revealing his identity, it was enough for the mental block to be lifted, meaning Peter had to be careful with his identity again. * J. Jonah Jameson became Mayor of New York, though he recently resigned and got a job as a news channel host. * Aunt May married Jameson's father, Jay, making Peter and Jonah cousins by marriage. * Doc Ock finds out that all the battles over his criminal career have left his body broken and that he only has a short time to live. This leads to a redesign of the character where his body is immobile, relying solely on his tentacles, as well as speaking through a voice box. With not long to live, Ock concocts several plans to ensure either his survival, or his legacy, only to be constantly thwarted by Spider-Man. * Kraven's family puts Spider-Man through a gauntlet of his classic rogues gallery, getting some new updates in the process, as they build up to hunting Spider-Man himself, sacrificing him in a ritual to bring Kraven back. Kraven is brought back, but it's revealed that Kaine, Spider-Man's deformed clone, dressed up as Spidey to save Peter and sacrifice himself (Kaine comes back later though and even becomes the new Scarlet Spider). This corrupts Kraven's revival where he is essentially immortal, only able to be killed by Spider-Man himself, which of course doesn't happen. * Peter is blackballed from photography for stupid reasons. This however leads to him getting a job at Horizon Labs, where he's actually able to put his mind to good use, even creating some more high tech Spidey gear. * Peter begins dating Carlie Cooper, only for her to dump him when she figures out he's Spider-Man and that he's been lying to her. * In one last plan, Ock swaps minds with Peter, even being able to access his memories. Though Peter in Ock's body tries to reverse the process, Ock took precautions to prevent it. However, Peter's memories take their toll on Ock, and he realizes the error of his ways, and he promises the dying Peter that he will do right, be a better person than he was before, and an even better Spider-Man. Enter: The Superior Spider-Man. * In his new life as Spider-Man, Ock uses his technical genius to better his crimefighting crusade, including spider-bots that scower New York and report any threats to him. As Spider-Man, he's definitely more tactical and vicious, but as Peter, he's pretty much of a douche to everyone. * When Ock realizes Peter never got his doctorate, he enrolls at ESU to get it. That's where he meets Anna Maria Marconi, a little person Ock begins a relationship with. * However, it turns out that the Peter's memories have taken a life of their own, trying to find a way to get control back of his body and life. This leads to a mental showdown between Peter and Ock, where Ock erases all of Peter's memories, with Ock only retaining the ones he's already memorized. Those memories still keep Peter's consciousness alive, but too weak for another fight with Ock. * After Horizon Labs is bought out by Allen Chemical, creating Alchemax from the 2099 series (also, Spider-Man 2099 has gone back and been stuck in the past), Otto starts up Parker Industries after earning a doctorate for Peter. * During SpOck's reign, the Green Goblin has been working in the shadows, building an army to take over New York, even hacking the spider-bots to make sure no attention is drawn to him. This leads to the end of the Superior era in "Goblin Nation", where New York is thrown into total chaos. After Goblin discovers Ock is in Spider-Man's body and kidnaps Anna Maria, Ock begins doubting himself. This is when Peter, after recovering all his memories, makes his presence known to Ock. Realizing he has no chance to save Anna Maria, Otto relinquishes control back to Peter, wiping out his own memories, making Peter 100% himself, with Ock proclaiming that Peter is the true Superior Spider-Man. And sure enough, Peter is able to stop the Goblin, save Anna Maria and all of New York. * This leaves Peter dealing with the aftermath of Ock's actions in his body, including now running his own company. * When Anna Maria figures out that Peter is Spider-Man, Peter has to break her heart by telling her that Otto was in control of his body, and that he sacrificed his mind to save her (Otto was even planning to propose). * In a tie-in to the Original Sin event, Peter discovers that another person was bitten by the radioactive spider. A girl named Cindy Moon, who Ezekial kept in a shelter to protect her from Morlun. Peter frees her, and she takes on the name Silk. Their spider pheromones also make them really horny when they're around each other; animal magnetism pretty much. * In a huge universe spanning event, Peter has to team up with almost every spider-person from across the multiverse to defeat Morlun and his family, the Inheritors, once and for all before they wipe out all the spiders. I'd go into more detail, but SO MUCH happens that I don't want to ruin the fun of the event by spoiling so much.
And that's about it. Hope that helps.
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Post by mr. excellent on Mar 12, 2015 14:57:36 GMT -5
Awesome! This helped me too. I fell off the train after One More Day, but I've read stuff here and there. Definitely interested in reading about Peter fighting Morlun and his family. I loved the introduction to the character, and since Evolve or Die left a bad taste in my mouth*, I'd like to see him used again in a fun way.
*I thought the execution was kind of weak for having to be spread throughout all the Spider books. Even if it was out of necessity.
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Post by brotherandbassist on Mar 12, 2015 15:56:53 GMT -5
All of that sounds pretty crazy haha. I appreciate the fact that you took the time to type all of this out for me. Not many people would of done that, thanks a bunch dude.
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Post by mr. excellent on Mar 13, 2015 21:18:13 GMT -5
So I was thinking about the latest rumors that Hulk could be blasted into space at the end of Avengers 2. For what it's worth, I don't think this will happen. That said, what if it did? What could Marvel do with this idea? I didn't write a fan fiction, but I am writing a "what if" concept.
I'm thinking something like Interstellar or Gravity, but with Hulk. This is one of those ideas that doesn't make sense fiscally (like my "Day in the Life" Spider-man idea) but could still be really cool. Having Bruce Banner be this lone guy on a space ship heading into the void could be crazy. In the movie I'm envisioning, we'd see a movie where Mark Ruffalo contemplates the meaning of life as he ponders over his own humanity, mortality, and the purpose of his mission. In this film, the Illuminati wouldn't be responsible for sending him off, but what if Thor's Asgardian connection puts this intergalactic threat on the Avengers radar, and they decide to send someone out there to deter it? Maybe the task is suicide, and since Banner is the biggest liability on the team, he demands that he be the one to sacrifice himself for the mission. I don't see the film as being told in a linear fashion, as it would be interesting just to start out there in space (like Gravity or 2001) and we could sort of discover the events that unfolded that lead to him being in space. Once that is established, we could have some fun with him being intercepted by some opposing party who's onto the Avengers plan to thwart them, and we can see Hulk work together with Banner to eliminate the threat. Banner comes to accept his allegiance to the human race, and he and Hulk come to terms momentarily in order to insure their return from the void of space.
What do you guys think?
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Post by Webber3000 on Mar 14, 2015 17:31:14 GMT -5
I think it's an interesting idea, but knowing Marvel Studios, even the most far-fetched idea would end up being just another Marvel movie...kinda like Guardians of the Galaxy, or Space Avengers as honest trailers guy calls it.
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Post by mr. excellent on Mar 14, 2015 21:03:55 GMT -5
Yeah, you're right. On the flip side, I'm still surprised you ranked TWS so low. I think it's arguably their strongest movie to date, but to each their own. For my money, if Marvel did a movie like this on the level of TWS, it'd surprise a lot of people.
I got so into the idea yesterday though, and kept realizing how unoriginal my imagination is. In 1 paragraph, I stole from Interstellar, Moon, Gravity, and 2001: A Space Odyssey, and especially Watchmen. Today, when trying to develop the idea further, I realized that I just wanted Bruce Banner to have his own Dr. Manhattanesque arc.
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Post by Webber3000 on Mar 15, 2015 11:48:09 GMT -5
Haha, a new take on an existing idea doesn't make it any less interesting.
As for the Winter Soldier, speaking for myself of course, I think it's the second best Marvel film to date, right below Iron Man (1); however, despite having some really topical themes and solid characterization, I feel it still suffers from your average MCU flaws, namely having unfathomably large stakes at hand. It just turns a personal quest into a much less personal one all of a sudden. It is, in my opinion, one of the many reasons why the first Thor film is considerably better and more enjoyable than the second. It's the story of one guy and his family issues. Sure, there is a weightier conflict on the line, but it's not much of a focus. Rather, its purpose is to illustrate how Thor reacts to it, and how he evolves throughout the film. Thor 2, on the other hand, does that - and much else - wrong... I'm just hoping, albeit with little optimism, that Marvel will tone down the importance of saving the world, let alone the universe! I don't know if I explained myself too well here, but, in sum, I feel that maintaining a large scope for MCU films just brings the stories down to the same formulae again and again, despite how good themes and characterization wind up being.
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Post by mr. excellent on Mar 15, 2015 18:47:49 GMT -5
Valid point, I think you did a good job explaining it. Another complaint down that line is that the MCU always seems to be setting up for something down the line, rather than basking in the now. Winter Soldier was definitely used as something to set the stage for AOU, and now it seems as though AOU is the set up for Civil War. My hope is that AOU is the climax of Joss Whedon's time with Marvel and not just a crescendo. Fingers crossed.
I know this next thing is a tangent, but does anyone else remember a Louis Leterrier interview from 2008ish where he talks about his idea for Marvel's MCU? He wanted to have a serialized roll out, where everything is thrown into one year on a monthly basis. Marvel would basically have people coming back to the movies every so many weeks to continue their saga, like back in the old days. Funny enough, they seem to be using that concept on a stretched out schedule.
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Post by BackinBlack on Mar 15, 2015 19:05:50 GMT -5
Webber, I get what your saying. If anything, I would expect Civil War to be that movie that's not specifically about saving the world. If anything, it'll be hero vs. hero over how to save the world. More character driven, even though Baron Zemo seems to be in it. Then you have Spider-Man coming up, and I know a lot of us want something scaled back compared to past movies, like a gang war.
excellent, that's interesting. I feel that a movie a month would have tired people out though. I guess its good though that Marvel's expanded into television so it can keep building on itself with having to wait every few months. Then you have Marvel's new slate of about 3 movies a year. That'll basically make it that there'll only be two months out of the year that won't have anything Marvel out in TV or film (that's assuming how long SHIELD lasts).
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