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Post by brotherandbassist on Nov 4, 2016 21:27:53 GMT -5
I shall smote thee with a swift kick to thine nether region
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Post by BackinBlack on Nov 5, 2016 5:34:26 GMT -5
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Post by brotherandbassist on Nov 5, 2016 15:47:21 GMT -5
remember, remember, the 5th of November
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Post by mr. excellent on Nov 12, 2016 17:21:28 GMT -5
So... with the continuing publication of X-Men books, and the rumored reboot without Bryan Singer, and the multi-verse introduced in Doctor Strange... does anyone think a Sonyesque deal between Marvel Studios and Fox is closer to happening? Thus far, Feige has said in interviews that the relationship is as it has been, which doesn't really clarify anything. It's unfortunate that the Deadpool is having problems, but maybe it'll lead to Fox being more willing to play ball?
I don't know the sales numbers on X-Men comics, but from what I hear, Inhumans never took off the way they wanted it to. Agents of Shield made a move toward Ghost Rider this season, and Marvel is going to need to continue mixing it up in order to stay at the top of the box office game. I actually do see superhero fatigue setting in when it comes to the traditional superhero stuff, eventually. Marvel seems to be getting around all that by constantly producing things that look shiny and new, even if they do adhere to the 'Marvel formula'. My thinking is, given the way the world is now, a book like X-Men is as relevant as it has ever been, and could potentially reach new heights in its popularity if shepherded properly. It's different than all of Marvel's current stuff, and could be an opportunity for their characters to have adventures elsewhere without the threat of irreparably damaging the universe they've worked so hard to create. Really cool possibilities there. What do you all think?
Any closer to a deal? Same as it has always been? Are we further than ever?
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Post by BackinBlack on Nov 12, 2016 19:33:01 GMT -5
It's hard to say. Feige says nothing's changed, but Jeph Loeb has said bridges are being built, at least TV wise with the Legion show. If something was to happen, they'd probably be coy about it until the official announcement, much like they've done many times before with official castings, release dates, and of course the Spider-Man deal.
But you're right. The X-Men are going to be needed more than ever now, especially when our upcoming VP looks like someone who'd want to outlaw mutants. I joke, but it's an apt comparison since the guy does support conversion therapy, and the X-Men have always been a metaphor for discrimination. But of course, they're also a metaphor for puberty, that they're dealing with changes to their body that they have no control of. That's part of the reason I feel X-Men are more relatable than Inhumans. In a way, they're still normal people trying to coexist in the world while the Inhumans have mostly been secluded until recently.
All we can do right now is that Marvel will have some input in a new X-Men movieverse, and make it closer to the comics. Fox has been doing better recently in that department, but some people still have complaints that they weren't like the comics. Marvel having a hand in things could help like with Spider-Man, especially for those wary about another reboot (I know X-Men didn't do a full-on reboot, but there was still a refreshing of things). It would be cool to see the actual original team of Cyclops, Iceman, Angel, Beast, and Jean together, which we've never really seen together. If anything, it could be cool if they kick things off by doing an Avengers vs. X-Men movie first to introduce us to this new universe, much like they introduced Spider-Man in Civil War before his solo movie.
As for Deadpool, I really think the first movie could still fit within a rebooted universe since they haven't really interacted with the larger X-universe yet, not to mention they did have a very different Colossus from before. They just need to keep Ryan Reynolds.
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Post by mr. excellent on Nov 12, 2016 19:52:12 GMT -5
But you're right. The X-Men are going to be needed more than ever now, especially when our upcoming VP looks like someone who'd want to outlaw mutants. I joke, but it's an apt comparison since the guy does support conversion therapy, and the X-Men have always been a metaphor for discrimination. I was going to say something along those lines, but yeah. Totally. This election has left half the country (at least) feeling a bit weird over it all. Back, around the time when Raimi's Spider-man set a new bar for 1st weekend box office, there were a few books written about why x-men, spider-man, daredevil, and superhero movies in general were getting a resurgence. It was postulated that the events of September 11th left people primed and in a position to be more accepting of superhero type characters. The country felt vulnerable. Remember Chad Kroeger's song 'Hero' that played at the end of the film (Spider-man)? That song, along with many other extremely... 'indulgent', songs dominated the airwaves around that time. I think this election is another one of those events that could impact the type of stories people look for in their entertainment.
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Post by brotherandbassist on Nov 13, 2016 16:49:00 GMT -5
I still think Avengers vs. X-Men would be cool. The main reason I want Marvel to get the rights is so Spider-Man can team up with Deadpool in a movie
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Post by BackinBlack on Nov 14, 2016 20:02:58 GMT -5
Crazy thought: since Infinity War will be just one movie now, what if Avengers 4 will be a crossover movie to introduce the X-Men of the MCU multiverse? If all the stones are in play, that means a mix of the Space and Reality stones could open a portal during the battle and bring the original 5 X-Men to the main Earth, so they'll need to find a way to get home.
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Post by brotherandbassist on Nov 15, 2016 0:19:52 GMT -5
I would legit pee myself in excitement if that happened. We all need to literally start praying for this to happen. That's how bad I wanna see that haha
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Post by mr. excellent on Nov 25, 2016 15:48:02 GMT -5
That would be cool.
I'm watching the Avengers as I type this.As you all may know, I'm a big fan of Lego. My hope is that I can buy the Avengers Helicarrier Lego set by Jan. 1st. Been wanting it for like, a year now at least, I don't remember when it was released. Check this thing out:
Funny thing is, I remember wishing that Lego would do one. They do special sets every year, so there was reason to hope. Next thing I know, they're announcing that beauty.
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Post by brotherandbassist on Nov 26, 2016 22:48:49 GMT -5
I've always wanted one of those giant lego Millenium Falcons. Speaking of toys, I'm looking to expand my action figure collection soon. There's a comic book store I go to sometimes in Bowling Green, KY called "The Great Escape" and they have used action figures fairly cheap. You can get Marvel Legends figures that are normally $20 new for like $10 used, and they're in pretty good shape. Last time I checked, they had Spider-Gwen, War Machine, M.O.D.O.K, and Iron Fist. I'd like to eventually learn how to make my own stop motions and do battles with them. I also play with action figures sometimes whenever I come up with ideas for scripts I've been writing. It's a method I hope to use when(God willing) I write scripts for studios one day. It's actually a method very similar to one Johnny Deep uses, except he uses dolls.
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Post by mr. excellent on Dec 4, 2016 20:08:19 GMT -5
So, anyone wanna speculate on which CBM will have the highest gross next year? I feel this is a safe enough space to not have the conversation devolve into what it usually does in most other forums/comments spaces.
I think it'll be between Spider-man Homecoming and Guardians Vol. 2. Thanks to Chris Nolan, it was a widespread belief that you don't bet against Batman at the Box Office. However, after seeing DC's recent attempts and box office results, I don't think having Batman in a film is a sure fire plan to the top of the charts. He certainly helped Batman v. Superman reach a respectable number. I'd even argue that his appearance helped Suicide Squad to a degree. However, I think DC has some work to do with the general audience.
Spider-man is working against its last 2 titles under Marc Webb. However, he had a solid reintroduction with Marvel Studios in Civil War, and I think the Disney/MS marketing machine will put a lot of work into getting people excited about this next entry. Marvel is putting their most popular character (Iron Man) in Homecoming, giving Spider-man some new toys, and cast Michael Keaton as its lead villain. Batman himself, after playing Birdman will now be playing the Vulture. It doesn't get much more meta than that. We'll see how much buzz the new trailer garners, but for now, its Robert Downey Jr.'s Iron Man who gets the biggest bucks at the ticket booth.
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2 may be the most highly anticipated sequel of the past 2 years. It was a surprise hit for the GA and superhero fandom alike. Not saying no one knew it was going to be big, but I don't think people expected the GA to embrace it to the degree they did. So there's good will coming from its original outing, plus the good will of Civil War AND Doctor Strange to boot. With Marvel Studios on a current hot streak, Guardians has A LOT going on for it outside the sequel's own qualities. With the teaser, and now teaser trailer getting things started officially, the hype train is only gonna pick up steam from here. You have the original cast returning plus exciting new additions. The colors are more vibrant than ever, the humor still seems to be on point, and... baby Groot. If this movie is just as good as the first, you could see this topping the charts.
Thor Ragnarok promises to be the most zany Marvel Studios film this side of Guardians. It's Thor, mixed with Braveheart, with a little Hulk tossed in for size. We don't know much about this film yet, but if it's good I could see it doing between 650-750 million. It has the 1st 2 Thor movies working against it unfortunately, which I loved, but they are seen by many as a weak link in Marvel's chain.
Wonder Woman has the great distinction of being the first superhero film with a female protagonist since Supergirl. When did that come out anyway? The 80s? Early 90's? Whatever the case, I think Patty Jenkins has the potential to blow us away with her vision. We'll see how it pans out. Do I think it'll be a billion dollar movie? No, but who knows? I do, however, think it has the potential to push DC's next film over that mark.
So, let's talk Justice League for a second. The movie has the potential to be the biggest box office draw next year. The film boasts several of the most popular superhero characters of all time. However, as we've seen this year, it all depends on how good the movie actually is. It's not just about Justice League, it's about the prior films too. If Wonder Woman is a smash hit, it could have a similar effect that Iron Man had for Avengers. Sure, there was the draw of seeing everyone put together, but RDJ is largely credited for pushing that film's numbers as high as they went. Heck, his solo Iron Man film after Avengers broke 1 billion too. You can say it's a symbiotic relationship, but who's the common denominator here? If Gal Gadot crushes it as Diana, you can bet that people will want to see her in action again. While I don't see Gal Gadot holding the same level of charisma and mass appeal as RDJ, Jenkins' could surprise us with how she uses her in the film. Definitely a wait and see, but it has the potential.
Let's talk about the elephant in the room: Lego Batman. I could see this being the highest earning CBM next year. If not globally, then perhaps domestically. It's a stop motion, CGI animated superhero feature. It's coming off the smash hit that the first Lego movie was, and building (pun intended) on one of that film's strongest characters: Batman. While having Batman in a film isn't a sure fire plan for success, he certainly does make a difference. Add the fact that Batman has never helmed his own film for global distribution in Lego form before? I mean, come on... it wouldn't be that shocking.
Logan: This is least likely to be the highest earner of next year, however, it does have potential to be the best film of the 7. I doubt it'll get awards recognition, but some have called it the Children of Men of the X-Men movies. Sounds like a little hyperbole to me, but its incredible trailer lends credence to the statement.
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Post by BackinBlack on Dec 4, 2016 21:28:01 GMT -5
Guardians 2/Justice League (could go either way but I give the edge to Guardians) Spider-Man Thor/Wonder Woman (could go either way) Logan
BTW, Catwoman came out in 2004 and Elektra in 2005. It's understandable to forget those though, as many have tried to. lol Don't care about Lego Batman though.
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Post by mr. excellent on Dec 5, 2016 1:28:43 GMT -5
BTW, Catwoman came out in 2004 and Elektra in 2005. It's understandable to forget those though, as many have tried to. lol Don't care about Lego Batman though. You are absolutely right. Do we consider those superhero(ine) films tho? Catwoman is a... she's not a superhero, is she? Has she ever been? What about Elektra? She's a super assassin, they sort of gave her a conscience. I don't remember. Understandable about Lego Batman. It's not canon, but rather a parody/satire. However, if done lovingly I can see myself loving it. Personally, I'm looking forward to Lego Batman the least out of the 7, but that's only because I'm obsessed about the other 6. I still very much want to see it.
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Post by brotherandbassist on Dec 5, 2016 9:56:46 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to Logan, Guardians, and Wonder Woman the most. I'm looking forward to Logan because of how much I loved the Old Man Logan comics, Guardians because of the hilarious, and may I say adorable(Baby Groot) new trailer, and Wonder Woman because I know nothing about her and am excited to learn more about her character. I'm least excited for Spider-Man, Justice League, and Lego Batman. So far, I hate the look of Spider-Man. The leaked photos of the Vulture look awful and all the casting choices seem extremely random to me. I get that there's more to a character than what they look like, but if they don't drop each others names in conversation, I will have no idea who is who. Justice League is trying too hard to ride off the fame of Avengers, and Lego Batman is just, well, Lego Batman. I'm sure it'll be cute, but that's about it for me. Might go see it with my little nephew
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