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Post by brotherandbassist on Nov 4, 2016 21:33:43 GMT -5
I just got back from seeing this movie and I loved it! One question I have though. In Winter Soldier, one of the characters made reference to Stephen Strange being an example of someone who would be on the hit list as a potential threat to Hydra. Yet in this movie, it's an origin story. Dr. Strange isn't an already established hero. So, my question is, are some movies in the Marvel Cinematic Universe out of chronological order? How could he already be Dr. Strange in one movie and then not in another? Also(minor spoiler ahead), there's a very brief reference in this movie just before Strange suffers his accident where a reference is made to War Machine injuring his spinal column. So if Dr. Strange's origin story takes time around the same time Civil War is going on, then how could he be referenced in Winter Soldier as if he was already a hero?
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Post by BackinBlack on Nov 4, 2016 22:08:58 GMT -5
I just got back from seeing this movie and I loved it! One question I have though. In Winter Soldier, one of the characters made reference to Stephen Strange being an example of someone who would be on the hit list as a potential threat to Hydra. Yet in this movie, it's an origin story. Dr. Strange isn't an already established hero. So, my question is, are some movies in the Marvel Cinematic Universe out of chronological order? How could he already be Dr. Strange in one movie and then not in another? Also(minor spoiler ahead), there's a very brief reference in this movie just before Strange suffers his accident where a reference is made to War Machine injuring his spinal column. So if Dr. Strange's origin story takes time around the same time Civil War is going on, then how could he be referenced in Winter Soldier as if he was already a hero? I haven't seen it yet, but going off of Winter Soldier, Zola's algorithm was design to single out those with personalities that would be resistant to HYDRA. Strange is supposed to be a well known surgeon, right? I think that would make sense.
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Post by BackinBlack on Nov 4, 2016 23:44:50 GMT -5
It is my gift and my curse.
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Post by mr. excellent on Nov 6, 2016 2:00:50 GMT -5
I think you're right. My wife and I loved this movie. I actually enjoyed it more than Civil War, which is what many consider to be Marvel's best. For my money, I think Winter Soldier is a better stand alone movie, while the first Iron Man and Guardians hold the highest entertainment value... until this came out. We plan on seeing it at least one more time. The IMAX 3D was awesome!!!
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Post by brotherandbassist on Nov 6, 2016 13:55:45 GMT -5
I figured it would be! Glad to hear that. I think it's my second favorite Marvel movie. It's neck and neck with Civil War. You just can't top that giddy feeling I felt when I seen Spider-Man on the screen for the first time in Civil War. I just don't think you could ever top the moment of Spidey being introduced into the MCU universe. Spider-Man on screen at the same time as Captain America?! Childhood fulfilled, man. haha
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Post by mr. excellent on Nov 6, 2016 15:03:47 GMT -5
Readers beware, there be minor spoilers ahead. I'm not going to put it in spoiler tags because there's nothing major to the plot. Yeah, I think you're right. I had a great experience with Civil War. Saw it in theaters 3 times, the final time in IMAX. Had I seen Civil War in IMAX for my first viewing, I think my experience would have been even better. There's something about that format, when you see a movie for the first time it elevates the experience. It's possible that the pairing of these kaleidoscopic visuals, mixed with great use of 3D (which is rare) just raised the bar for me. Benedict Cumberbatch plays an awesome Strange. One of the common complaints I'm hearing about the film is the opening minutes before he's a Sorcerer. Basically that it's not as fun to watch Stephen Strange be a jerk and lose it all as it is to watch Tony Stark be a jerk and lose it all. Another complaint is that he gets really good at being a sorcerer super quickly. Both are valid complaints. With regard to the first however, I think that they chose to go that direction to give him a much more complete personal arc than Tony Stark got. Comparisons have been drawn to how close their origins are, so they wanted to go more extreme in his change of personality and character. To that end, I think they were successful, in large part because of how much time is spent on him at the beginning of the film. Further, I think they're super efficient with the amount of time they spend on him being a normal guy. I wasn't bored at any point during the film or wondering when it was going to end. As for the second complaint, that I can get on board for. I really was hoping that he would have spent years training to be a Sorcerer. I'm sure that several months passed or whatever, but come on. He was already doing stuff that Tilda Swinton's character was doing, and she had been around for centuries as the ancient one. Genius or not, having a natural ability for the mystic arts or not, I think it would've been cool if he had been going through training for a few years. At least around the time Tony Stark was stuck in the cave, maybe a couple years prior. I loved the end credits scene with Thor. Seriously, it was my favorite of all the end credits tags. Civil War had some great ones, but this one made me laugh and anticipate Ragnarok more than I already do, which is already more than Guardians and Spider-man. He didn't outright say it, but he did say he was going to help them find Odin.
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Post by brotherandbassist on Nov 6, 2016 17:20:30 GMT -5
I noticed the fast transition myself, but I kinda liked it. I think if it just went on and on, the movie would've been boring. I like to assume a few months went by and we just didn't see it all. I think that's entirely plausible. Maybe we'll see it on the DVD or blu-ray one day? Who knows. I'm just so excited for Thor Ragnorok. The fact that Hulk is in it is very exciting. I know they've barely even begun with Spider-Man characters, but I always thought a movie where Hulk bonded with Venom would be cool. I have an idea called "Planet Venom" where Hulk bonds with Venom and the symbiotes take over Asgard. I think that would be pretty awesome. My cliffhanger would be Carnage bonding with Thanos
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Post by BackinBlack on Nov 6, 2016 18:18:15 GMT -5
I just saw it today. Honestly, going in, I wasn't that hyped for this movie. I mean, at this point, you just have to expect a Marvel movie to be good. Of course Benedict Cumberbatch and the visuals would be great. But I have to say my expectations were greatly exceeded. They did a great job continuing to introduce magic into the MCU, following the events of Daredevil and Agents of SHIELD. I'm also slightly more excited for Thor: Ragnarok after the mid-credits scene. However, even if it just a cameo, it does kind of go with what I've talked about before about how solo movies featuring other heroes. Part of the reason I like Strange so much is that they kept it solely on Strange, even if they do make references and introduce another Infinity Stone.
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Post by mr. excellent on Nov 6, 2016 19:23:53 GMT -5
I get what you're saying lopli, and I do see the potential problem in extending his training sequences. However, I do feel that they could have been just as efficient with their use of time in him training to be a sorcerer and still have depicted a larger amount of time going by. That said, if a longer run time was necessary to show his training taking place over a longer period of time, that could have worked out fine as well. The film's length is in line with Marvel's 'origin' movies at 1h 55 min. However, because they sought to sort of redefine the way they do origins, I think a slightly longer run time in the service of showing a longer passage of time with his training could have worked.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda... honestly, I still love this movie. Totally exceeded my expectations too. The action alone was worth the price of admission, but I'm thankful that it was so much more than that.
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Post by brotherandbassist on Nov 6, 2016 23:26:37 GMT -5
Okay, so since the three of us are literally the only currently active members, can we just talk about the infinite stone openly? If it shows up blank, highlight the text above ^^^
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Post by brotherandbassist on Nov 8, 2016 9:19:46 GMT -5
17 phase four rumors we hope aren't trueThe first point in this article has to do with Inhumans, and I'm sharing this because it reminded me of what I mentioned about Dr. Strange drawing in new Marvel fans. What do you guys think about some of the points this article makes? I don't necessarily agree with all of them, but I do think the X-Men one is a good point. To introduce them at this stage would be stupid, and I honestly completely disagree with the infinity gauntlet argument they make about how Thanos could simply use it to reboot everything. I honestly kind of like this idea, because if the entire universe starts over, this would give them a chance to use new characters, and if they did eventually obtain rights to X-Men, they could introduce them in a way that actually makes sense.
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Post by Webber3000 on Nov 8, 2016 23:44:01 GMT -5
Okay, so since the three of us are literally the only currently active members, can we just talk about the infinite stone openly? If it shows up blank, highlight the text above ^^^ But... But... What about me?
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Post by brotherandbassist on Nov 9, 2016 0:09:20 GMT -5
You don't count. You're dating the Walrus
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Post by Webber3000 on Nov 9, 2016 0:16:03 GMT -5
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Post by brotherandbassist on Nov 9, 2016 11:15:24 GMT -5
Ahahahahahahhahaah gooood, your suffering pleases me. Now young jedi, you will die
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