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Post by BackinBlack on Aug 21, 2019 1:29:00 GMT -5
Try clicking on the image; it'll make it bigger.
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Post by mr. excellent on Aug 21, 2019 2:40:48 GMT -5
I don't know why that didn't work earlier. Literally the ONLY solution I should've tried, lol. It's great by the way.
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Post by BackinBlack on Aug 21, 2019 8:45:42 GMT -5
Got another one.
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Post by mr. excellent on Aug 21, 2019 20:56:40 GMT -5
www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/spider-man-update-sony-thinks-itll-be-fine-without-feige-but-both-parties-could-return-to-the-table-a170139The MCU can sit pretty without addressing Spider-Man's absence until 2023 I guess, considering the movies that they have coming out. There's no Avengers announced for Phase 4 yet, so they won't have to awkwardly dance around Spider-Man in the solo films which won't be focused on getting all hands on deck. That's the beauty of the time jump I guess. Technically, Far From Home hasn't happened yet, haha. That is, if the Snap happened in 2018. At this point, I'd say raise hell if you're part of the fandom, but don't lose any sleep at night over it. They'll play the "long game" most likely and figure it out some time between now and 2021 to make a film that releases in 2023. I just hope Sony doesn't keep pushing for that damn 2 year quota for mainline Spider-Man movies to hit theaters. No need to over saturate for the sake of putting products out. That said, I definitely don't blame just Sony any more. Yeah, their ideas for Spider-Man kind of suck, but Disney can't have freakin everything. Their box office dominance is leading to less creative and original stuff on their end (all their live action remakes), and it's only going to get worse if they get everything they want in negotiations.
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Post by mr. excellent on Aug 22, 2019 23:45:18 GMT -5
www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/spider-man-sony-reportedly-was-willing-to-concede-25-of-franchise-but-disney-wants-more-a170159What a rollercoaster. So many conflicting reports. Some have said that Disney offered the 50/50 deal as part of a NEGOTIATION, and that Sony just folded without even presenting a counter offer. The other side of it is what the article above is saying, which is that Sony was willing to concede 25% (that's 5 times more than the old deal) in exchange for Feige's continued creative assistance and that Disney left because they wouldn't budge off of the 50%. I've heard 30% being thrown around from Disney and that Sony thought that was too high. Who the f knows at this point?
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Post by brotherandbassist on Aug 23, 2019 0:27:55 GMT -5
I think they should compromise just this once to make a third movie with Marvel. It could end with Peter getting sucked through a portal and winding up in another universe where Venom, Morbius, and Kraven exist. That way it's open ended so that if they ever wanna renegotiate, he'd just have to come back through the portal
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Post by BackinBlack on Aug 24, 2019 19:12:29 GMT -5
Holland will remain as Spider-Man despite no Marvel involvement: www.superherohype.com/movies/463659-tom-holland-and-kevin-feige-address-spider-mans-mcu-exit“It’s been five amazing years. I’ve had the time of my life. Who knows what the future holds? But all I know is that I’m going to continue playing Spider-Man and having the time of my life. It’s going to be so fun, however we choose to do it. The future for Spider-Man will be different, but it will be equally as awesome and amazing, and we’ll find new ways to make it even cooler." I mean, I'm glad the kid's trying to stay positive through all of it, but part of me wishes he could have stuck it to Sony by taking the walk away option. I'm just wondering if they're going to try and make it a legit "Spider-Man 3" without mentioning any MCU elements. It will help if they keep the legitimate Spider-Man characters introduced, like Marisa Tomei as Aunt May, Zendaya as MJ, JK Simmons still as Jameson, Ned, Flash, etc. Sigh, maybe I'm trying to stay positive too.
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Post by mr. excellent on Aug 24, 2019 20:04:30 GMT -5
I found this article very consoling: www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2019/08/21/how-the-marvel-sony-spider-man-dispute-will-be-solved-one-way-or-another/#793fe04a6b50I'm glad he's trying to be diplomatic. Andrew Garfield got himself in a ton of hot water simply for skipping a corporate dinner. Remember that story? It's stupid as hell because he's probably the best actor to put on the mask thus far*, but Sony was ready to sack him over that. This was at a time when he and Emma Stone were the ONLY good things about the franchise. Feige leads by one heck of an example though, because he could've burned his bridges so many times with the way Sony still tries to treat him like an errand boy. Either way, while I've not forgotten about all the times Sony has fumbled the ball, a lot of the blame for this situation falls on Disney too. *Even if I like Holland's version better, Garfield has one hell of a resume.
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Post by mr. excellent on Aug 25, 2019 2:42:17 GMT -5
I'm such an unabashed Feige fanboy it's nauseating, but talking Feige earlier got me thinking... the MCU has made $22.5 Billion at the box office. That's not even considering merchandising. Sony wants to talk about Feige like he's still a gofer grabbing Arad's coffee, but the reality is his movies in 10 years have made enough money to buy the entirety of Sony's movie division. While I'm also blaming Disney for continued deals in the present, I think Tom Rothman is full of shit for saying "They've learned all they can from Feige's playbook". Citing their success with Venom and Spider-verse as proof. Venom was successful, in spite of itself, and Spider-verse happened because the studio left it alone. Yes, they found the talent to put it all together, but they're acting like they shepherded the whole project from beginning to completion. Their best Spider-Man movies outside the MCU were Spider-Man 1 and 2, where they let Raimi do his thing, the first Amazing Spider-Man where they meddled but not as much as in TASM 2, and Spider-verse where they let the creatives do their thing unhindered. Furthermore, details released about Feige's involvement with their other films on the sly also smacks of them trying to share their failings with him too. I remember specific notes leaking in the 2014 leak where Feige warned them to change things in TASM 2 that they didn't. Those same things were freakin criticized because they didn't listen. They don't deserve him, but the character does, and since Sony still has Spidey I want them both to figure it the F out.
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Post by BackinBlack on Aug 29, 2019 23:00:21 GMT -5
You guys ever wonder where we'd be if Marvel just let the clock run out on Sony back in '09? From what I remember, Sony gave the Spidey TV rights back to Marvel for an extension on the movie rights before they lapsed, which lead to the Amazing reboot. Maybe we could have gotten Spidey in the MCU sooner and we wouldn't have to deal with all this crap.
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Post by mr. excellent on Aug 30, 2019 19:23:09 GMT -5
Yeah... I mean, I'm glad that Spider-Man is a big deal to Sony. That has lead to them making some incredible Spider-Man films in the past. I just wish they had other big franchises too so that they weren't so dependent on the character. That dependency on Spider-Man has also lead to them making some of the worse Spider-Man movies as well. The MCU is special because they don't have to milk their characters the same way Sony does with Spider-Man. The early days of the MCU might be guilty of that, but by phase 3 they were such a finely tuned machine that they were a lot more intentional about the way they used their characters. They have a wealth of big franchises, that they themselves built, to draw on whereas Spider-Man is the poor goose with the golden egg.
Tell you what though, I don't get why 5 years ago people were like: "I'm tired of Spider-Man not being able to interact with other heroes" but now are saying "When can we get a real Spider-Man movie again?" I get wanting to have a Spider-Man movie that's more Spider-Man 2 and Spider-verse than what the MCU has done with Homecoming and Far From Home. However, the MCU has only made 2 standalone movies whereas Sony has made 5 on their own. Yes, Spider-Man appeared in Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame but those are not his films. For 15 years, Spider-Man had a whole universe to himself. Compare that to the 3 years Spidey has been in the MCU. It shouldn't even be up for debate, this era of Spidey deserves more time, even if you prefer the former situation.
Yet people act as though it'll be better for Spidey to be the only superhero character in his own universe, again. Feige said it best, (I think it was in a Homecoming featurette): "[Spider-Man is back with the other heroes where he belongs]". Feige went on to say "Spider-Man quite simply, is the greatest superhero of all time." All those characters, and he says this about Spider-Man who isn't even a Marvel Studios owned character... and then they go and set him up to be the center of the MCU going forward. Again, this thing that people are asking for, a solo Spider-man movie without the rest of the MCU's influence has already been done 5 times in the last 17 years. I've seen the argument that Spider-man was actually not going to be prioritized going forward, and this argument uses the evidence of Spidey's absence in phase 4. Where that goes wrong though is that Phase 4 is only 2 years long, and is poised to set up new things. Phase 5 is where GOTG 3 and BP 2 are expected to come in, and it's probably where Spider-Man would've came in as well. We can't forget that Spider-Man was on the D23 poster this year, and it's possible that if the deal had gone thru they could've dropped an announcement for phase 4 even.
All that said, I can see Sony putting a badass Spider-man follow up to Far From Home where he's really cut off from the rest of the MCU and has to fend for himself. There's a way to do that without getting too crazy with the story. I just hope they can get it right since it seems pretty official now that they'll be doing it sans Marvel Studios.
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Post by Webber3000 on Aug 31, 2019 16:20:18 GMT -5
Corporate greed at its best! I feel bad for the creatives at Disney who just want to craft good (and profitable) stories. They set up Peter to be Tony's successor, and here we are now. But I agree 100% with Excellent in this instance, Disney bares the blame. Although I'm sad that this is all happening with a property I care about, I'd be super glad if, by some miracle, Sony manages to actually make good Spider-Man movies again, reboot or otherwise. I don't think they will, their track record has been sucking for 15 years, but let a man dream! Disney is stifling competition and pretty much owns the most profitable genre out there at this point. When the MCU inevitably fades away, if nobody else is there to pick up the pieces, then so will the entire genre. And then what do we get? A monopoly that just makes safe bet remakes of so-called classics? Bleh...
I was talking to Caveboy the other day, and he said something pretty hilarious. So many MCU fanboys/Sony haters talk about Disney as if it was a monarchy. "I believe King Disney should have absolute control... He is a benevolent king! Duke Sony... Ahhh... Duke Sony has failed with his land for decades!"
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Post by mr. excellent on Sept 2, 2019 2:27:57 GMT -5
wegotthiscovered.com/movies/sony-marvel-reportedly-meeting-week-discuss-spiderman/This is far from a confirmation of anything, given my source and the fact that new rumors pop up every day pretty much. That said, I have to admit, while I may be annoyed that people are so ready to let Spider-Man go back to the old status quo after only 3 years of being in the MCU... I'm also wondering if that will give Disney some pause about making ridiculous demands??? The internet was a lot more split than I thought they'd be, many people not in the favor of the Mouse House. Here's the thing, if Disney was given two thumbs up by the public being 100% in their favor, they would most likely offer peanuts to Sony, again... and Sony would decline because that's what any big studio would do in their position (as much as it pains me to admit it). If that happened, that would probably be it for the foreseeable future as far as negotiations go. Now that the public has spoken and it's not as pro Disney as they probably thought it'd be, Disney should be a little more willing to play ball. Does it need Spider-man? Not as much as I'd like to think they do unfortunately. Does Sony need the MCU for Spider-Man to make money? Honestly, no, but I don't want to gamble them diminishing his brand for the 3rd time after Marvel did such a good job rebuilding it. Anyway, the rumor that Sony wants Spider-Man in Venom 2 and Spider-verse, unsubstantiated as it may be right now, I think that's totally doable IF... and this is a plausible "if"... IF they do a soft reboot on Venom. They can't do that for Spider-Man if it is to remain in the MCU, too much bones there. But Venom, that would work just fine and there's proof that they're already planning on doing that. The first movie was a train wreck, albeit one I enjoyed, but they can't bank on the audience being that kind twice for what that movie was. Bringing in Andy Serkis to direct, it's clear they're going for something a bit different come round 2. So I can buy that Sony is making moves to entice Marvel into letting Holland be in Venom 2. As far Spider-verse goes, everybody loved it, it won an Oscar, and is considered the greatest Spider-Man movie yet in some circles. It's animated to boot, so Marvel literally has nothing to lose there. I say, if this rumor is true, it seems like a sweet deal for Disney. The question is, does this mean that if Disney says yes to this "alleged" deal, that Sony is willing to give them whatever it is they're asking for Feige's continued services? We'll see.
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