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Post by BackinBlack on Jul 22, 2012 20:33:53 GMT -5
Yeah, but I was tickled by the reference to Killer Croc. I think I missed that part. Could you elaborate when and where? I'm probably gonna go see it again in a couple days and I want to be on the lookout.
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Post by mr. excellent on Jul 22, 2012 21:30:22 GMT -5
In response to your request BIB: It was when Blake went to see Bruce at his house. Bruce said something to the effect of "Why don't you go and talk to the other cops" and Blake was all "because when I told them they asked me if he'd also seen a giant alligator in the sewers".
It was pretty subtle, because the line could fit several other movies too, but I think it was intentional.
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Post by Spidey 1923 on Jul 22, 2012 21:37:03 GMT -5
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Post by BackinBlack on Jul 22, 2012 21:59:59 GMT -5
In response to your request BIB: It was when Blake went to see Bruce at his house. Bruce said something to the effect of "Why don't you go and talk to the other cops" and Blake was all "because when I told them they asked me if he'd also seen a giant alligator in the sewers".
It was pretty subtle, because the line could fit several other movies too, but I think it was intentional. Oh that. Didn't think much of it. Would have worked better if he said crocodile. I can't help but think what it really would have been and if it really could have beat Avengers. Still, the numbers announced tomorrow could be higher, but maybe not by much.
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Post by Caveboy0 on Jul 23, 2012 9:35:13 GMT -5
In response to your request BIB: It was when Blake went to see Bruce at his house. Bruce said something to the effect of "Why don't you go and talk to the other cops" and Blake was all "because when I told them they asked me if he'd also seen a giant alligator in the sewers".
It was pretty subtle, because the line could fit several other movies too, but I think it was intentional. that was another pet peeve of mine. why didn't the cops believe Gordon?
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Post by Caveboy0 on Jul 23, 2012 9:45:55 GMT -5
Yeah, but I was tickled by the reference to Killer Croc. To Caveboy, I respect your opinion on this a lot. You've come to a conclusion that I've seen in a few different comments sections, but the way you arrived at that conclusion is a lot more fair. It has been frustrating to see certain reactions to the plot of this film, but only when the criticisms come from people who missed something in the plot that was actually explained. For example, Ebert completely missed the part that explained where Bane's men and resources were coming from. He thought it was silly that Batman and Bane were having a fist fight in the middle of the riot fight scene, after Bane blew up the bridges. What else were they supposed to do? Batman wasn't going to mow down Bane with his aircraft while he was mixed in a crowd with a bunch of cops and Gotham's citizens, and he's pretty clear on the no guns situation. It's not as though they stepped into a boxing ring and had a referee. I'd put this stuff in spoilers, but it's all in the trailers. Some critics couldn't keep track of all the new characters at the beginning of the film, and failed to see their importance for the rest of the production. While I'll admit that it was a bit difficult upon first viewing (I haven't seen it a second time yet), it became pretty clear to me having just sat down and reflected on the movie a bit more afterwards. That was without going to the internet for clarification. But I'll say more on this in the closing of this post. For now, I'll say that for as long as the movie was, it could've been a bit longer even. Because there were so many great parts to this film, I think it would've been a disservice to have shortened one thing here, and cut a little out there in order to expand the things that needed expanding. Not that you were saying to do that or anything. But like you said, Selina and Bruce's relationship, Miranda Tate and Bruce's relationship. Ras's part, showing the passage of time a little better or at least making it more clear. I remember hearing it in the dialogue that 3 months had passed. . It made sense to the story, but for some people, it was a bit abrupt. So, I do think a longer run time might have done the trick. Take a little more time to develop the connections, and a lot of people might have been more appeased. Then again, there were a lot of people who simply weren't into the first act of the movie at all. As much as that sucks to hear, people are entitled to feel the way that they feel. It would be pretentious to assume that given more time, multiple viewings and long term consideration, that people will suddenly "see how great this film is". I think it's great, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. With "The Amazing Spider-man", over time I was less impressed with it on a whole as I was impressed with the way it evoked my emotions and the way the actors interacted. Not what I wanted, but it's what happened. With Batman Begins, over time I came to the conclusion that it was my favorite Batman film, sometimes I wonder if it's the best batman film. I don't know where I'll end up with on this movie. Well i appreciate the civility. I think i got a good grasp of the film. its not like i missed some crucial information that would turn me around. i understood the first act just fine. i just thought it was too brisk for my pace. also my brain kind of turned off when i heard it was just a nuke. this isn't the cold war anymore i don't think people really associate that much weight to the bomb. it just feels like overkill. i sort of like the context of the bomb having this duality as also a source for clean energy, but this is the second time Wayne Enterprise has created a weapon that is used against them.
and yeah its almost like if they dared to go that extra step with a 3 hour film it could have felt like the time gap, but this isn't an ordinary story some people expect more batman and added time without a doubt would be less batman. Now don't get me wrong i thought Bruce's time in the prison was entirely about Batman and very important, but to make that work even better that what was already a good scene would have been to frame it honestly entirely in Bruce's perspective. Keep us out of Gotham and feel the time. In the comics Bruce training to become Batman again involved him wearing this sort of aboriginal idol bat mask. That would have been interesting.
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Post by BackinBlack on Jul 23, 2012 12:35:01 GMT -5
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Post by Caveboy0 on Jul 23, 2012 13:44:13 GMT -5
i agree. they could still continue it but the material isn't there. references from the comics but nothing that could be done justice.
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Post by Spidey 1923 on Jul 23, 2012 17:13:22 GMT -5
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Post by BackinBlack on Jul 23, 2012 20:25:56 GMT -5
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Post by Caveboy0 on Jul 23, 2012 20:38:36 GMT -5
most people would argue it was flawed and simply not as good as TDK. I don't think it should be nominated.
aww come on. fine delay the series even more.
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Post by mr. excellent on Jul 23, 2012 20:44:45 GMT -5
Agreed. There's no denying that it was a very finely crafted movie, possibly the best of the series in terms of camera work and other technical things. But the way that the movie came together in the end... I don't know. It affected me, like, I had a strong reaction to the movie, that much is true.
Maybe in retrospect, after watching all the movies that get nominated we'll see if this movie was worthy of a nomination. It's definitely an above average film in my book.
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Post by BackinBlack on Jul 23, 2012 20:45:31 GMT -5
aww come on. fine delay the series even more. DC's done well since the New 52 getting issues out on time. Justice League gets delayed a few weeks but still manages to get come out every month. So far the two issues of Batman Incorporated have come out on time as well. According to Burnham, the issue was finished and is just being delayed for special reasons. If anything, issues 3 and 4 will both be out on the same day next month to make sure the schedule remains in tact. Delaying each issue a month now would mess up DC's on-time scheduling plan they've had; I mean, if issue 4 would be delayed a month to September, it would mess up DC's Zero month.
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Post by Caveboy0 on Jul 24, 2012 0:36:40 GMT -5
Agreed. There's no denying that it was a very finely crafted movie, possibly the best of the series in terms of camera work and other technical things. But the way that the movie came together in the end... I don't know. It affected me, like, I had a strong reaction to the movie, that much is true. Maybe in retrospect, after watching all the movies that get nominated we'll see if this movie was worthy of a nomination. It's definitely an above average film in my book. yeah i've managed to see the worst of what people have had to say about the film and i mean really horrible reviews i've seen, but its not the majority and yet when i see people positive about it it seems propped up at times. like they are forgiving some huge flaws. It could be a series nomination, but it can't win. I'd like to think Nolan has a serious chance to win best picture in him, but that doesn't' seem to be a goal of his. His line of work has never felt like oscar bait.
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Post by BackinBlack on Jul 24, 2012 10:09:44 GMT -5
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