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Venom
Jun 19, 2017 17:04:23 GMT -5
Post by mr. excellent on Jun 19, 2017 17:04:23 GMT -5
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Venom
Jun 19, 2017 17:43:33 GMT -5
Post by BackinBlack on Jun 19, 2017 17:43:33 GMT -5
His confusion could mean of two things: 1. They were going to reveal the MCU connections at a later date, like Comic Con since Homecoming will already be out by then, and Feige's pissed she blurted it out. 2. Pascal's making shit up and Feige's thinking "What the fuck are you talking about?"
I'm inclined to believe the latter.
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Venom
Jun 19, 2017 17:46:04 GMT -5
Post by BackinBlack on Jun 19, 2017 17:46:04 GMT -5
I think a for sure sign will be if they have the Marvel Studios logo attached in previews, much like Homecoming does, but we won't have that for awhile.
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Venom
Jun 19, 2017 22:35:07 GMT -5
Post by brotherandbassist on Jun 19, 2017 22:35:07 GMT -5
If this isn't set at a future time, then it's going to make zero sense. I just hope they make it so that Venom is pre-established and has already battled Spider-Man that way he can have an origin story in a Spider-Man movie.
EDIT: Someone mentioned on Facebook that maybe Eddie Brock would appear in Infinite War and would get the symbiote in the end credits. If that's the case, then maybe Spidey and Venom will meet up at some point after his solo movie. It's probably an insanely far fetched concept, but I would love for Avengers 4 to be a more amped up adaption of the Maximum Carnage storyline where all the Avengers team up with spidey to take on an army of symbiotes. That I would pay to see!
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Venom
Jun 20, 2017 15:58:04 GMT -5
Post by mr. excellent on Jun 20, 2017 15:58:04 GMT -5
So, after listening to the guys over at Collider and then John Campea (also affiliated), they're starting to change my mind. They've been saying that Sony would HAVE to play ball with Marvel and be part of the MCU for Venom to work. However, I didn't think the powers that be over at Disney Marvel were interested in that, and I thought they were being uncharacteristically optimistic. Now, I'm not so sure.
It makes a lot of sense for something Venom related to be introduced during Infinity War. It also makes a lot of sense that Tom Hardy would agree to play the character, only if he was really confident in the direction they were going. We all saw what happened the last time Sony tried to make a Spider-man universe. Thanks to the leaks it was all a very public exhibition of Sony's hubris. It's almost as though something else was at play here that we hadn't been told yet. Add in the mixed reaction to Tom Hardy's portrayal of Bane. I would think an actor of his pedigree would be very choosy before jumping onto another superhero property to play another villain, for a project which had red flags all over it. Again, something else must be at play here.
So, if we humor the notion that Venom is in the MCU, we might consider why Marvel would agree to do this. The biggest reason, I think, is that it would open the MCU up to a new audience, having that hard sci-fi R rating. Some like John Campea speculate that if Venom really is part of the MCU, it won't end up having an R-rating, but I actually don't think so. Feige has said it many times before, if the genre is to survive, it has to be versatile. Even good movies can fail to generate buzz if there's too many to fill the niche. With that in mind, I think Venom could be their way to tackle another kind of movie.
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Venom
Jun 20, 2017 20:41:50 GMT -5
Post by BackinBlack on Jun 20, 2017 20:41:50 GMT -5
You know, Feige did recently say that an R-rated Marvel movie wasn't completely out of the question. Maybe Venom being R-rated is their answer, without having to fit it within the overall MCU film narrative that began with Iron Man, much like the Netflix series do.
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Post by BackinBlack on Jun 21, 2017 14:40:58 GMT -5
Carnage confirmed as the villain, and let's be honest, we all pretty much expected that: www.cbr.com/sony-venom-film-carnage/In other Sony villain spin-off news, they're planning stuff with Mysterio and Kraven: www.cbr.com/sony-kraven-mysterio-spider-man/Seriously, who is the intended audience for these movies? Admittedly, a Kraven movie could be interesting if they explored what made him the great hunter he is. It's shit like this though that makes it hard to believe all these spin-offs are connected to the MCU. It's like Sony thought "The internet thinks we're part of the MCU now, let's make up any shit we want!" It really feels like they're using the MCU to elevate themselves so they can make the movies they had planned for the Amazing Spider-Man universe they wanted.
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Venom
Jun 21, 2017 22:19:16 GMT -5
Post by mr. excellent on Jun 21, 2017 22:19:16 GMT -5
Exactly, which is the kind of thing that will end their current collaboration real fast. That goes for dropping stuff in interviews just to put it out there to see what happens too. Accidentally on purpose is what it feels like.
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Venom
Jun 21, 2017 22:21:29 GMT -5
Post by mr. excellent on Jun 21, 2017 22:21:29 GMT -5
You know, Feige did recently say that an R-rated Marvel movie wasn't completely out of the question. Maybe Venom being R-rated is their answer, without having to fit it within the overall MCU film narrative that began with Iron Man, much like the Netflix series do. For sure. I was just thinking that if that wasn't the case, maybe he was just doing the old 'never say never' routine. For the most part, he's up front about things when he can be, but you get asked the same question enough times, maybe you just start to screw with people.
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Jun 21, 2017 23:12:55 GMT -5
Post by BackinBlack on Jun 21, 2017 23:12:55 GMT -5
Exactly, which is the kind of thing that will end their current collaboration real fast. That goes for dropping stuff in interviews just to put it out there to see what happens too. Accidentally on purpose is what it feels like. It's stuff like this that makes me still want to boycott Sony's films so they can get it through their thick heads that they need Marvel's help or they won't have an audience. It's Sony that needs Marvel if they want to keep Spidey afloat; Marvel's proven they don't need Spider-Man to be a success. If this relationship ends, it'll either be because Sony stupidly ends it or Marvel will become tired of Sony's crap. Seriously, if they pull Spidey from the MCU, they won't survive another reboot on their own. This whole situation is just frustrating. I'm really hoping there's more going on behind the scenes and everything's fine.
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Post by brotherandbassist on Jun 23, 2017 18:49:01 GMT -5
In what universe are those spin offs good ideas when non-comic book audiences have no idea who the *beep* Kraven amd Mysterio even are? Two spin offs for villains you've never even seen fight Spider-Man in a movie before?
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Venom
Jun 25, 2017 18:45:49 GMT -5
Post by BackinBlack on Jun 25, 2017 18:45:49 GMT -5
Sony "spin-offs" NOT part of the MCU: www.cbr.com/marvel-sony-agree-venom-marvel-universe/“Here’s what we’re doing: all these characters are a part of the Marvel comic book universe,” Pascal said. “In that universe, they are all related to each other. Kevin [Feige] makes characters in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. These characters are separate, except for Spidey, who belongs in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which is why he’s there.” Well that was a fun week. Now we can get back to not caring about these films. Or I can at least. I know I don't speak for everyone on the board but what I feel is the same as the majority of fans; if it's not in the MCU, then it's pointless. I won't be rewarding Sony's stupidity. The quicker they learn they need Marvel and stop this spin-off bullshit, the better.
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Post by mr. excellent on Jul 14, 2017 7:28:29 GMT -5
I've been thinking about where they could go with this Venom movie. I don't like that they're using Carnage and am uncomfortable with how unsure we are about Spider-man's involvement. However, I don't want to be too negative about it either. So, in the spirit of using lemons to make lemonade, I was thinking about how Sony could make a kick ass Venom movie that stands as its own thing but would leave the door open for integration later on down the line. Here's what I came up with:
I picture the Venom movie playing out a little bit like The Thing. A top secret lab or an outpost in the Antarctic (or somewhere isolated) gets taken over by something sinister (the Carnage symbiote, no pun intended on the choice of words) and basically decimates everyone but a small group of scientists. Attempts have been made by the government to go in and reclaim control over the lab/outpost, but they have been thwarted: search and rescue crew(s) who have gone in have met the same fate. The clock is ticking on saving the remaining scientists and recovering the outpost's assets before all is destroyed. Desperate and with no time to waste, the government sends in Agent Venom: Eddie Brock. Will he succeed in containing the creature and saving the remaining crew, or will he fall under the same fate? Also, who's responsible for creating this creature and what is its intended use? Brock will have to wrestle with all of this as he struggles to keep his own symbiote under control.
The point of this concept is that it's time/date can be ambiguous, due to its isolated location, without breaking the symbiote's history with Spider-man. We can also tell a story without Spider-man in it that makes sense due to the conflict (top secret military lab) and location (basically anywhere that's off the grid, away from NYC) of the film. Again, it's not ideal that Spider-man not be a part of it, but I'm talking about making lemonade out of lemons: making a good story out of the less than ideal set of parameters the film may have to abide by. Just as important tho, I see it as an opportunity to do a sci-fi thriller of sorts, with some slasher elements thrown in for good measure. I'm envisioning someone with Fede Alvarez's sensibilities directing Tom Hardy in this because Alvarez's latest film, "Don't Breathe", made amazing use of enclosed spaces, tension, and darkness to enhance the story telling in the film. The movie was contained and personal, but always felt scary and exciting.
I think this would be perfect for an R-rated Venom movie that needs to be low key enough to leave the doors open for potential integration into the MCU. I know that Eddie Brock isn't Agent Venom in the comics, but considering they cast Tom Hardy to play Eddie Brock and Tony Revolori is a completely different take on Flash Thompson, I'm thinking they're possibly going to do a hybrid of Thompson and Brock's comic book history's for the film. That is, I don't think Brock is going to be a journalist, but rather that he'll be the one with military record as opposed to Flash. Maybe when he goes in, the symbiote has already begun to pick off the remaining scientists, and Brock is racing against the clock to keep as many of the remaining survivors alive as he can. I don't know, but I think that's the beauty of this set up. Maybe he uncovers some sinister plot by the government to create more of these carnage symbiote things and sell them to the highest bidders. How will that influence him? Will he become an anti-hero or go full on Venom? Is this before he meets Spider-man or after? Leave it ambiguous, the set up allows it. We'll see how it shakes out after 2021, or whenever and wherever that 3rd Spider-man film ends up.
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Post by brotherandbassist on Jul 17, 2017 20:02:11 GMT -5
Will not watch said movie. Venom needs to show up after a Spiderman trilogy. Maybe introduce him in Homecoming 3 and then have a spin off where it's a Spider-man movie but from Venom's perspective.
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Venom
Jul 18, 2017 23:06:24 GMT -5
Post by mr. excellent on Jul 18, 2017 23:06:24 GMT -5
So you guys won't even humor the idea for sharts and farts huh? Fair enough. I'd rather them not do the movie to begin with, but oh well. I may see it, but only if I'm getting a big, unanimous thumbs up from the YouTube reviewers I trust. ScreenJunkies, Schmoes Know, John Campea, the people at Collider (many of whom are a part of the other channels I mentioned), etc.
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