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Venom
Feb 8, 2018 10:30:25 GMT -5
Post by BackinBlack on Feb 8, 2018 10:30:25 GMT -5
...So you guys heard Sony's planning to sell off their TV and film properties, right? Hopefully Marvel gets those Spidey rights back soon. Seriously, I'm getting flashbacks of Fant4stic here.
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Venom
Feb 8, 2018 21:31:20 GMT -5
Post by mr. excellent on Feb 8, 2018 21:31:20 GMT -5
Oh boy... I don't think this will turn out like Fant4stic, but let's do the math: Stellar cast? check. Promising director? Check. Producers that are hit and miss with the property? Check. "What could go wrong?" I said back in 2015 (or was it earlier?) For what it's worth, I thought it was a little bland, but it didn't worry me. I like that it's a proper teaser, just wish it could've packed more punch. On a side note, I wish Drew Goddard was attached to this. Back in 2014, it was announced he was attached to the then planned Sinister Six movie. If you look at his resume though, he's the perfect guy for Venom. He's currently doing work on "The Good Place", which is such a fun, clever little show. He did work on tv's Angel in the early to mid 2000s, he did Cabin in the Woods (which I loved mostly because going in I knew what to expect), The Martian, and Netflix's Daredevil Season 1. He's freakin awesome.
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Venom
Feb 8, 2018 22:37:57 GMT -5
Post by mr. excellent on Feb 8, 2018 22:37:57 GMT -5
Double Post Time: So, I watched it again after the perspective from everyone else's reactions. Even with that, I'm still feeling very optimistic. The trailer wasn't bad, and, it's still really early. If anything, they didn't have to release the trailer so early, so that might have been to their detriment. Nothing about the footage itself was bad though. I think people are worried about it being lackluster.
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Venom
Feb 9, 2018 2:01:46 GMT -5
Post by Webber3000 on Feb 9, 2018 2:01:46 GMT -5
I share the sentiment, Excellent. I still think the movie's a pretty terrible idea, but the trailer itself is not why. It's kind of a throwback to the days teasers did just that, tease us.
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Venom
Feb 12, 2018 15:10:49 GMT -5
Post by mr. excellent on Feb 12, 2018 15:10:49 GMT -5
I dunno man. Fox and Sony have both shown us that they can amaze and they can disappoint. I guess Fox is more consistent though whereas Sony has Spider-man 1 and 2, and Homecoming (which was largely a Marvel Studios production, and one that you weren't crazy about if I remember correctly). What about that animated feature Sony has coming out? That looks really promising.
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Venom
Apr 23, 2018 23:12:52 GMT -5
Post by mr. excellent on Apr 23, 2018 23:12:52 GMT -5
So, I just saw the leaked 2nd trailer. I'd post it, but I don't want to post a leaked version. Sometimes I do these things, but this time I'll abstain. First reactions... ?? I'm interested, it looks entertaining, and at second glance Tom Hardy seems like he's going to be able to do his thing... kind of. There were some iffy moments in there for me where he's questioning himself. Maybe it works in the movie and it's a tour de force performance, but the trailer is still kind of up in the air. I mean yes, it's Tom Hardy, but with the wrong script and director, a good actor can be made to look bad. I have some questions about this one, I really do. Like we've said before, there's talent behind this. The design of the character is better than what we got in the 2007 Raimi version IMO, but it still doesn't look real. It feels like they're going for a realistic tone, and yet, the adapted look is kind of too cartoony for my liking.
I enjoy the Venom voice, at the moment. I appreciate the power levels for sure. It's still just a wait and see for me. I plan on seeing it, but I don't know that I'll be talking it up to friends.
EDIT: Sony released the real trailer. I thought it was coming next week.
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Venom
Apr 24, 2018 5:14:21 GMT -5
Post by BackinBlack on Apr 24, 2018 5:14:21 GMT -5
Yeah, that didn't do much to alleviate my fears. A lot of the acting comes off stiff, and I still only see Tom Hardy and not Eddie Brock. Just based on this, I really believe those reports that any actual Venom will be extremely limited and they just blew their money shot. Also, are they really pronouncing it "symb-I-otes"? That just doesn't feel natural.
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Venom
Jul 21, 2018 17:51:34 GMT -5
Post by mr. excellent on Jul 21, 2018 17:51:34 GMT -5
Venom Comic Con Footage Details screenrant.com/venom-movie-comic-con-footage-trailer-details/Anyone read the footage description from comic con? Like the 2nd trailer above, it didn't do much to change my mind one way or another. I do like the description of the action though. If this movie doesn't turn out to be good, it will probably have decent action at least. While that's disappointing, there's nothing we can do about it being made now since it's releasing in October. There was another thread where I commented about Ant Man and the Wasp rereleasing for a limited time in the October - November months. When I said that, it was because I had completely forgotten about the Venom movie release date. That makes me sad.
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Venom
Jul 25, 2018 20:20:06 GMT -5
Post by mr. excellent on Jul 25, 2018 20:20:06 GMT -5
Rumor: Sony Desperate to Fit Spider-Man into the Venom Movie
I don't know how credible this rumor is. Sounds like BS, but then again, Sony is famous for doing this kind of thing time and time again. I've given them the benefit of the doubt so many times, and yet, more often than not these outlandish rumors end up being true with regard to Spider-Man unfortunately. You'd think they'd learn.
Incoming Rant: For me, I can give a lot of ideas the benefit of the doubt. I'm one of the few who isn't totally against them doing a Venom movie that doesn't have Spider-Man in it, so long as the movie doesn't eliminate future possibility of Spider-man appearing. I even had this idea for a Venom movie that took inspiration from the film The Thing and Flash Thompson's Agent Venom, that had no Spider-Man in it whatsoever. However, if the rumor from the video is to be believed, then this is no bueno. They made their bed, they need to lie in it. It's like, commit to a freaken idea, or maybe do like DC (or at least what they seem to be trying to do now) and commit to a series of quality one off or loosely connected films. That's the point of their new branding "Worlds of DC", right? Or maybe be like Fox when they committed to doing Logan.** If the rumor is true that is. Let's just assume that it is for a moment though. If that's the case, what were they thinking? Did they think they could just coax Kevin Feige into letting them get their way? What? Did they think he was still the same young up and comer who they'd send on their coffee runs? I mean seriously, what is it? He's like the Steve Jobs of movie producers in Hollywood right now, he's been around the block. Did they seriously misunderstand the reason behind the last 10 years of Marvel's dominance? I don't know.
**If they are going to try and get some of the Marvel Studios shine, or try to replicate their success, they should be looking at it from another angle. Marvel Studios allowed the Russos to come in with their team of head writers and make Infinity War their way. They didn't wait around to listen to what the audience reaction would be to the phase 3 movies that preceded it. They did collaborate with the creators of the other phase 3 films, but they believed in what they were creating and then created more before those movies even came out. That's the key distinction here. I've heard some lament on the fact that Wakanda wasn't more prominently featured in Infinity War than it was given how successful that film became. Some even complained that the characters from Wakanda should've been given more to do due to the Black Panther film's popularity. Regardless, in recent interviews the Russos have celebrated the fact that their story for Avengers 4 was complete before Infinity War came out. They wanted the movie to be pure, free to do what they felt it needed to do from a creative standpoint, and not bogged down by fan service demands. If Sony is looking to copy the MCU, they should maybe copy it in that way.***
***Okay, so this approach doesn't always work. See Rian Johnson's Star Wars Episode VIII. Apparently, Johnson had already nailed his story down before he had time to gauge audience reception to episode VII, so he wasn't exactly on the same page as the fans in that sense. To that end I say, you can't win them all. The bottom line is that Sony has had trouble allowing their creatives to do what they do best (with regard to their live action Spider-Man properties) without interference ever since Spider-Man 3. They need to break that pattern.
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Venom
Jul 31, 2018 11:20:07 GMT -5
Post by mr. excellent on Jul 31, 2018 11:20:07 GMT -5
This trailer worked for me. The symbiote looks awesome. I'd rather they go out on their sword than compromise their vision last minute.
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Venom
Jul 31, 2018 14:57:31 GMT -5
Post by mr. excellent on Jul 31, 2018 14:57:31 GMT -5
Looking at it again, I'm now questioning why this trailer worked for me. The special effects look interesting. I can't tell if they're bad or really good or I don't know what. I've never seen anything quite like this, which isn't bad necessarily. I mean, it's supposed to look alien, but it's just odd. The action looks pretty great. The dialogue doesn't sound too great. It does sound true to the source material, but is that a good thing for a live action movie? I will see this film, but it could be a stinker. I still believe it's possible to make a Venom movie without Spider-man, but I am not at all confident that they pulled it off with this. My fingers are crossed, because if they blow it I doubt Tom Hardy will be back, and he's about the coolest actor I could've asked for to play this villain.
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Post by BackinBlack on Jul 31, 2018 16:06:23 GMT -5
Arrgh. I'm torn. I mean, the symbiote and full Venom look kind of make it worth watching on the big screen. But what if that's all it has going for it? The storyline doesn't seem too bad and works for the character. It looks more in line with the source compared to how Fant4stic went. I do give them props though for listening to the criticisms before, like the symbiote pronunciation and the new tagline. "The world has enough superheroes" works much better than "Release your inner anti-hero". But like you, the dialogue seems off to me. And it also really bugs me how the symbiote wants to eat people.
Out of principle though, I still don't plan to see it in theaters.
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Post by Webber3000 on Jul 31, 2018 20:35:17 GMT -5
My favourite parts are the campy dialogue. I don't know if that's the case, but they sound like they're straight out of comic panels. That said, I'm not really interested. There's no intrigue and the plot looks like generic cartilage gluing action set-pieces together, and that's judging from a trailer that seems to show most of the story beats. Anyway, I guess we'll see in time.
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Venom
Aug 9, 2018 18:33:52 GMT -5
Post by BackinBlack on Aug 9, 2018 18:33:52 GMT -5
Figured I'd post this here since it's the most relevant thread. Sony's plans for the Spider-Man spin-offs after Venom: variety.com/2018/film/news/whats-next-for-the-spider-man-universe-after-venom-exclusive-1202900203/I mean, what the hell are they thinking at Sony? Do they not remember making all these plans before with the Amazing Spider-Man and how that blew up in their face? Seriously, they put out one good trailer for Venom and think they have a whole universe in their hands. For the love of Stan Lee, they want to make a Jackpot movie. JACKPOT! Does anyone even remember Jackpot? There was only interest in her because people thought she could be Mary Jane. I'm getting flashbacks of how the Mummy was supposed to begin the Dark Universe. I'm expecting similar results. Venom's box office is already not tracking well. You know what I think this is? It's Sony crying for help. It's there way of begging Marvel to just take buy back all the Spider-Man rights. I mean, does anyone see all these films actually being made? Sorry, rant over. It's just astounding how stupid Sony seems to have gotten.
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Venom
Aug 9, 2018 19:27:21 GMT -5
Post by mr. excellent on Aug 9, 2018 19:27:21 GMT -5
Figured I'd post this here since it's the most relevant thread. Sony's plans for the Spider-Man spin-offs after Venom: variety.com/2018/film/news/whats-next-for-the-spider-man-universe-after-venom-exclusive-1202900203/I mean, what the hell are they thinking at Sony? Do they not remember making all these plans before with the Amazing Spider-Man and how that blew up in their face? Seriously, they put out one good trailer for Venom and think they have a whole universe in their hands. For the love of Stan Lee, they want to make a Jackpot movie. JACKPOT! Does anyone even remember Jackpot? There was only interest in her because people thought she could be Mary Jane. I'm getting flashbacks of how the Mummy was supposed to begin the Dark Universe. I'm expecting similar results. Venom's box office is already not tracking well. You know what I think this is? It's Sony crying for help. It's there way of begging Marvel to just take buy back all the Spider-Man rights. I mean, does anyone see all these films actually being made? Sorry, rant over. It's just astounding how stupid Sony seems to have gotten. You know, that would be crazy if it was some "elaborate" scheme to force Marvel's hand for a quick sales boost. I don't think that's the case though, it definitely wouldn't help to piss Marvel off. I hate to say it, but they don't need Spider-Man. Especially not now that they're getting X-Men and Fantastic Four back. I totally agree that this is a stupid idea on their part. Sony keeps playing all the hits. I'm astounded at their capacity to continue f****** things up with Spider-Man. EDIT: Except for the animated film, that one looks legit. Like, it could seriously end up being the best animated Spider-Man project we've ever seen.
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