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Post by BackinBlack on Sept 27, 2019 17:17:27 GMT -5
He's baaaaaack! www.cbr.com/sony-marvel-deal-third-spider-man-film/Peter Parker's journey will continue July 16, 2021. Other details I've seen are Disney/Marvel will receive 25% of the box office, Spidey will also appear in one more Marvel Studios film (I'm hoping for Avengers 5), and that there may be more connective tissue with Sony's own spin-off films. I think we're all happy about this. Honestly, I think the collective eye roll on that Madame Webb movie announcement yesterday clinched the deal. lol Also, I think this might have bought Marvel some time to get the full rights back pending an Apple buyout of Sony.
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Post by mr. excellent on Sept 27, 2019 20:23:46 GMT -5
Whoo hoo!!! Depending on what Avengers 5 is, I might be just as happy with Spider-Man showing up in a Fantastic Four film. Depending. Honestly, I'd like to see Ant Man cross over with Fantastic Four, as that would make a lot of sense with the Quantum Realm stuff. Let's have Spider-Man 3 be the John Wick 3 of the Jon Watts trilogy. Obviously not as violent, but a thrilling and exciting conclusion to what will still be an ongoing saga.
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Post by Webber3000 on Sept 28, 2019 9:59:26 GMT -5
Think there was ever a chance that he wouldn't be? I wouldn't put it beyond Sony, but that was Disney's doing. The whole thing was likely negotiation through media.
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Post by mr. excellent on Sept 28, 2019 13:15:45 GMT -5
Yeah, and I'm glad that the general public was so evenly split. It gave Disney pause enough to come back to the table. It's incredible how reports are still conflicting on who did what. I've read that Disney agreed to the deal that Sony originally threw out there, and I've read that it's actually the other way around. Who the hell knows. All that matters is that we can get some proper closure on this iteration of Spidey. I'll be happy with that. You can easily read between the lines that they're easing the audience into having Spider-Man be in separate universe's entirely again after these 2 movies are done. What these two situations have shown me (the situation back in 2015 when Spidey was brought into Civil War and the 2019 Spider-pocalypse) is that anything is possible when it comes to Spider-Man crossing over. I'm happy that a Spider-Man film finally crossed the billion dollar mark. This is something that should've been done back in 2007 had Sony stuck the landing then.
All that said, whatever this secret MCU film is that Spider-Man may show up in, be it Avengers 5 or something else, I'd better see some damn X-Men and F4 members in it. If Spider-Man is potentially going to go back to Sony for a long time after this new deal runs out, I at least want to see that. Especially because you never know how long Kevin Feige is going to stick around. Much as I like Star Wars, I don't want to see him make a lateral move over to Lucas Film. Disney made a statement saying that Kathleen Kennedy is still going to maintain her post, and that Feige is producing a movie with her because he's such a huge fan of the franchise... I can see that. My point is, Feige likely isn't going to stick around forever with his resume. It's possible he wants to rebuild the MCU and stick around thru phase 5 (which they already have planned but intentionally didn't reveal because they felt 11 projects @ SDCC and a whole bunch more @ D23 was plenty to reveal), but after that I dunno.
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Post by mr. excellent on Oct 2, 2019 19:33:39 GMT -5
Tom Holland had a hand in Spider-Man Returning to the MCU www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/tom-holland-was-instrumental-in-bringing-sony-and-disney-back-to-the-table-for-new-spider-man-deal-a170881This is one of the coolest things I've read about Holland during his tenure as Spider-Man. As much as I liked Tobey, he had some bad ideas that ended up making their way into the film. So far as I know, he never had a hand in the studio politics, except when he almost got sacked prior to Spider-Man 2. As much as I loved Andrew and appreciated him sticking it to the man (Sony) on occasion, Holland taking a similar approach would not have faired well. I'm happy that he has his ear to the ground on the fan base, because the point he made to the studios was the obvious point to make that everyone seemed to be ignoring. Clearly, Holland can't be given all the credit, and realistically was not THE reason the studio made the decision they did. That said, social media has empowered even average joe's like us in ways the world has never seen, dating back as recently as 10 years ago. How much more impactful can a person use social media to their benefit when they have the platform that Holland does? Today I showed the first 40 minutes of Spider-man Far From Home to my Comic Book Movie club kids. At our school, clubs take place during the school day before lunch, so you don't have to be a "super nerd" to stay after school or whatever. Now, I have quite a range of personalities in my club (based on this first meeting alone). They started out being rambunctious and loud, but by the time the "In Memoriam" scene had finished, the kids were hooked. They were laughing, wincing, and super into the high school Peter Parker aspects of the film too. Spider-Man is supposed to be interesting when he's not being Spider-Man, and for once, the studio is focused on making that a priority too. This is why Tom Holland's Spider-man is so big, why it's the only Spider-Man that has managed to meet his full potential with the youth demographic. Last month when they announced Sony and Disney had split, everybody was talking about it... in my regular classes, not even during club time. When they announced that the deal had been extended last week, everybody was talking about it at the end of the day and it was being brought up all day on Monday. I'm bringing this up because I'm seeing something that I've never seen with this character before when it comes to the movie side of things, and that's the collective public's attention. I remember a time when I used to have to come to the Sony forums to find more than 1 or 2 other like minded individuals who obsessed over things things. That's not the case any more, and it's not happening with all characters like it is for Spider-Man and... I love it.
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Post by BackinBlack on Oct 4, 2019 23:05:30 GMT -5
So I watched Far From Home on Blu-Ray tonight. Loved it even more than I did before. Might be a mix of almost losing Spidey and the special features showing how much passion went into it; and it's a good thing they made up, because a lot of the bonus stuff would have been pretty awkward. Then you have Holland playing a hand in getting the deal back on track, and I appreciate his investment in the character even more.
Anyway, I was thinking about the next movie and how everyone assumes Peter will be getting a lawyer, whether it be Daredevil or She-Hulk, and thought "The Trial of Spider-Man" is an idea with a lot of merit. Even if they prove Mysterio's video was a hoax, with testimonies from Peter's friends, Happy, Fury, etc., you could have those like Jameson going beyond that by trying to show Spider-Man does more harm than good as a whole. It could lead to a climax where Peter has to prove himself the hero he is with the world watching; I guess that part would add some credence to Kraven being the next villain if they make him a TV star like the Ultimate comics and the new cartoon have done.
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Post by mr. excellent on Oct 5, 2019 15:43:41 GMT -5
I feel the same way. I'll just warn you guys right now, dramatic "analogy" incoming: After the split was announced, I felt kind of weird about going and buying the blu ray. Obviously I was still going to get it, but it would've been a depressing reminder that this amazingly fun film wasn't going to pay off as originally intended in the sequel. It's kind of like, if you imagine that we had known Raimi's Spider-Man 3 was going to be a bust even before it went into production. I could just see my 15 year old self going to buy the dvd (@ that time) all bummed out and in mourning rather than excited at the things to come. Now that things have been patched up to conclude the trilogy and maybe give Spider-Man a proper send off (unless they re-up again later) I feel better about re-watching the film at home. I still would've enjoyed it because a fun film is a fun film, but now I know I can look forward to a proper continuation or conclusion and it's all just sweet instead of bitter sweet.
Like your story speculation BIB.
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Post by BackinBlack on Oct 5, 2019 18:37:50 GMT -5
I know what you mean. I pre-ordered the DVD at first; I wanted it in my MCU collection, but didn't want to pay that much to Sony. Once the new deal was announced though, I cancelled the DVD order for the Blu-Ray.
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Post by mr. excellent on Oct 16, 2019 0:01:00 GMT -5
I think you and BIB may be on the same page about this. I think it was you BIB who had mentioned this a little while back. Something I've said in passing is that I'd really like this to be the John Wick 3 of Spider-Man movies. Obviously not as hyper violent, but in that vein of constantly being on the move, enlisting help from unexpected places, and ultimately coming out on top. I'd prefer the movie to end on a happier note than JW3 of course.
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Post by mr. excellent on Nov 2, 2019 18:05:45 GMT -5
What you're talking about is definitely a thing. As you noted, people have shared these sentiments with you for some time. Personally, I'm glad that the MCU does things the way that it does. When we all first met each other, all we ever talked about was trilogies. That was the only way things were being done, in trilogies, and it was hard to see movies being done in any other way. Then in 2008, Iron Man came out and brought with it the return of serialized story telling. While the MCU gets criticized for contributing to audience's minimal attention spans, cramming in jokes and action set pieces at the expense of character development, it has also gotten to the point where it expects its audience to pay attention. Joe and Anthony Russo said of Infinity War that it doesn't have time to go back and explain every reference. If you're watching Infinity War, the expectation is that you've seen a Marvel film before. So shortened attention span or not, the MCU has expected us to pay attention to its stories for longer (in terms of sheer hours) than any other ongoing series ever has. That, I like. I still do want them to have those films that you can go in and enjoy for their own merits. I think Thor Ragnarok was able to be that kind of a film, mostly, just as Guardians vol.1 was for the most part as well... the same goes for Dr. Strange, to name just a few.
I hear what you're saying, and I don't entirely disagree, but I also think I'm enjoying the ride for what it has been so far as well. I feel as if I've been watching the grandest television show in history. With regard to Spider-Man, the very reason why I'm happy with this take on the character is for the same reason you're not: We have so many stories across a variety of media that have Spider-Man being the lone wolf, friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. If I want to experience those versions, all I need to do is go back and read those comics or play those games, watch those old episodes or movies, etc. I have had more than enough to keep me happy. The MCU on the other hand is giving me the spirit of Spider-man in a different shade, and in a way that is unlike what I've seen before. I love that. Looking over at DC's latest take on Batman, I think they had the potential to do something great with Affleck that they just couldn't pull off. They wanted to give us something that called upon the spirit of Batman from a variety of eras in the comics, but in a way we hadn't seen on screen. Unfortunately, it just didn't resonate.
Now, I will admit that I disagree with the way people interpret the MCU's take on Spider-Man. I don't believe that Marvel wants him to be "Iron Man Jr." Why is it that we feel this way to begin with? Is it because Peter uses Stark Tech? A few people I know are Apple enthusiasts, using Apple devices for both personal entertainment and for work, but I would never accuse them of trying to be Steve Jobs. Why do we do this for Spider-Man, when we could just say he's a networking superhero? We've had precedent in film for self made superheroes who end up being more or less talented networkers you know. Take Christian Bale's Batman for example. While he is the mastermind behind his Bat persona, Bale's Batman depended on Lucious Fox for the creation of all of his vehicles, antidotes, and anything that required major engineering savvy. He even depended on Alfred to help him with his detective work, to an extent. We hardly saw the "World's Greatest Detective" aspect of him at all, and yet, he was still Batman. My claim is that the MCU's Spider-Man is much the same. He has a "guy in the chair" too, and also access to one of the world's smartest engineers and resources. To Peter's credit though, in Civil War when Tony found him, he [Peter] was dumpster diving for spare parts and had already created his own web fluid and web shooters, and special goggles to help him focus. Weird math aside due to the blip, he has only been Spider-Man for like what, 2 years? So in that amount of time, he has shown to be an incredibly intelligent individual already and has plenty of time to go back to his self styled ways again. Especially with the way they left him off at the end of Far From Home. The thing is, he's still in high school, and we're just not used to seeing Peter Parker be so young for this amount of time on film. Raimi's Spider-man had him graduate high school by the end of act 1 in movie 1, and Webb's Spider-Man had him graduate high school at the beginning of the sequel. This version of Spider-Man is taking its time and letting us see him go through his growing pains. I like that, and I think that in this regard, they're right on schedule with letting him mature and become his own hero.
As an alternate take, I think they're really leaning in on Peter being pressured by the world TO be the next Iron man, and they're establishing him as his own hero by rejecting that for himself in every film. In Homecoming, he declines to become an Avenger. In Infinity War, he becomes one and refuses to let Tony send him back to New York for the sake of protecting the world in order "to have a neighborhood to save". In Far From Home, his entire dilemma is that the world wants him to be the next Iron Man, and he's not having it. If you look at it that way, the MCU doesn't want Spider-Man to be Iron Man Jr., but rather, they're using those expectations to build Peter to something greater. I refer back to the time that Kevin Feige said "Spider-Man is the biggest Marvel character. He is the jewel in the crown. Such an amazing icon... he is, quite simply, the greatest superhero of all time."
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Post by mr. excellent on Nov 3, 2019 1:13:52 GMT -5
You're so gracious lopli, I always appreciate your opinions. My super long response probably came off a little too passionate, *nervous laughter heh-heh-heh*.
In all seriousness though, the MCU is by no means perfect, that's for sure. I do hope that they progress the story further in this next one, like, by a lot because 3 high school movies is plenty... And hopefully they will find a way to bring some of the more classic elements back into it now. As disappointed as I was in the direction Iron Man 3 went, I really liked how they took all of Iron Man's toys away from him and made him Mac Guyver himself through his problems. I also really enjoyed this aspect of Edward Norton's Incredible Hulk movie, when Banner was in Brazil working in a home lab fashioned from spare parts. Let's definitely have more of those elements in Spider-man 3 for sure, especially if Kraven or someone like that comes in.
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Post by brotherandbassist on Nov 3, 2019 9:39:48 GMT -5
It's perfectly alright, I enjoyed reading it. You write very articulately and intelligible so it didn't bother me at all. Just two dudes having a discussion haha. I always liked how in the Ultimate comics Peter was friends with Johnny Storm, I wouldn't mind that being thrown in as a Fantastic Four set up so long as it is functional and serves the plot.
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Post by BackinBlack on Apr 24, 2020 17:57:39 GMT -5
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Post by mr. excellent on Apr 24, 2020 21:21:58 GMT -5
True, but I gotta admit that I'm loving it (oh hey, the McDonald's slogan). I really do love this though. The idea of getting some detective Batman type stuff in October is super exciting to me. I also wanna see Spider-Man slum it out in the cold in the next one, let's see some snow. Early November isn't exactly the dead of Winter, but it's close enough. How cool would that be, visually, for a change? It's also 2 days after my birthday It'd be one hell of a way to end the week. I hope for this next one they bring some of that Marc Webb influenced practical style to the choreography. He was very dedicated to the notion that we'd see real people swinging around on wires in his first Spidey flick. Even if on the second movie he embraced the CGI more, that philosophy didn't fade. His work definitely influenced the rise of many a go Pro Spider-Man parkour film. To his credit, Jon Watts hasn't entirely lost that sensibility either. I'm hoping for this one, they make it a real bare bones Spidey action flick. I don't mean I want thin character work, but I want it to look every bit as real as the Netflix Daredevil series. It doesn't have to be as brutal obviously, but they can still push it pretty far. I want to see Spider-man go back to dumpster diving and MacGyvering his own gadgets. Part of the fun of Bruce Wayne and Iron Man is seeing their genius in action. It's why people loved MacGyver (mostly), it's what people appreciate about Spider-man and keep whining about not getting enough of**. Let's see that here, with some ski style Spider-Man parkour in the snowy concrete jungle that NYC could be. **Shouts out to Marc Webb yet again, he freakin tried man. On the note of Spider-Man parkour videos, here's a relatively new one that's pretty darn impressive (even if it's a little cheesy). Please excuse the spider crotch in the thumbnail.
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Post by BackinBlack on May 19, 2020 19:31:06 GMT -5
Oh no, not the spider crotch! Ahhh! Anyways, I'm really hoping Kraven is villain. Maybe he gets hired by Scoprion and Vulture from prison Hmm, Vulture could play a part. Guess it depends on what happens with him in Morbius.
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