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Post by mr. excellent on Mar 21, 2021 22:09:55 GMT -5
Andrew Garfield's Stunt Double Photographed Along Side Tom Holland's www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/no_way_home/spider-man-no-way-home-andrew-garfields-stunt-double-photographed-alongside-tom-hollands-on-film-set-a183383#gs.w8tvnxThere's your plausible deniability. Is any of this legit? Who knows. The MCU's biggest phase 4 problem is not its story telling, but the expectation of its fans. Just 1 year ago casual audience members were asking "What does the MCU have left to do? They're finished." While they were saying that, fans like us defiantly proclaimed that they had so much more to do with the 20th Century Fox Marvel characters back under their banner, as well as the Netflix Marvel characters. I still feel that way now, but the problem is that fans are getting ahead of themselves on a scale we've never seen before. It used to be just us, now it's literally everybody. That's cool and all, but it also creates the problem of the shows and movies being judged, not based on their own merits, but the expectations of the general audience now too. Whereas before it was just us spoiling ourselves at our own discretion, now the general audience is doing that too. I keep going back to what Kevin Feige said so clearly back at 2019s SDCC, which to paraphrase was, they have planned out the next 5 years and are going to execute on that plan before folding in the newly reacquired characters. He has only doubled down on that statement in subsequent interviews. While I have no doubt they may make little changes here and there to their stories along the path to execution, as they have always done, it's important to remember that Marvel has promised us nothing beyond the basic titles and summaries of these new shows and movies.
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Post by mr. excellent on Apr 17, 2021 14:05:15 GMT -5
Alfred Molina's Doc Ock is Returning in Spider-Man Homecoming www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/no_way_home/alfred-molina-confirms-spider-man-no-way-home-return-picks-up-doc-ocks-story-right-after-spider-man-2-death-a184053#gs.ygzgbxBTW: That image of Molina staring over the city (in the article's header) is one of the coolest in cinematic history, regardless of genre. It absolutely kills. The thing about Alfred Molina is that he's much more interesting a person and likeable than he was as Dr. Otto Octavius. To be honest, after Dafoe, it was going to be hard to match that level of magnetism and energy. That's probably why he designed the metal arms to be impervious to heat and magnetism! ... I'll pretend I didn't trip and fall on my face just now. Seriously though, if we're getting Octavius back after defying death, I'd like them to allow him to be a little more eccentric in this one. Might sound crazy, but if you look at the out takes and hidden scenes, you can see him performing "Fiddler on the Roof" with the arms and joking around. He's great! I just want them to let him exude more energy on camera. Jon Favreau's Happy Hogan Returning in Spider-Man No Way Home www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/no_way_home/spider-man-no-way-home-reportedly-bringing-back-jon-favreau-as-iron-mans-happy-hogan-a184064#gs.ygzditThe real star of the show is returning. Wish he hadn't got so busy with Star Wars. Would have loved for him to make a return to the MCU. I know everyone wants the Russo's to come back and direct every huge cross over, but honestly, I'd love to see Favreau have another crack at the MCU. Even if it was for a show.
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Post by Webber3000 on Apr 24, 2021 17:56:12 GMT -5
BTW: That image of Molina staring over the city (in the article's header) is one of the coolest in cinematic history, regardless of genre. It absolutely kills. Couldn't agree more, it's just so timelessly iconic! I was still a kid (and not a Spider-Man fan yet) when it got unveiled at Comic Con, but I remember the hype! Even my parents who knew (and still know) just about nothing about movies or comics understood how cool it was.
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Post by mr. excellent on May 8, 2021 15:30:36 GMT -5
Yeah. What makes that notion even more sobering for me is that I was one of the many who wanted Sony to go small in the 3rd installment. I wanted the MCU to finally give the unhappy Spider-Man fans what they wanted: a stripped down (technologically speaking), down on his luck, alone Peter Parker with just his fists and his wits to save him. Then, the multi-verse appeal and rumors invaded my brain space and it was just too hard to resist. Now I want that instead and it'll be hard to be satisfied with something else. Not that they couldn't pull it off though.
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Post by mr. excellent on May 24, 2021 18:21:35 GMT -5
I was pretty sure Sony would debut a trailer today after their trolling of an actual diesel truck trailer last week, which was spray painted with the movie's title with their official font and stuff. I still think it's going to debut before Loki drops. If not next Monday, then maybe in the summer the Monday of the Loki season 1 finale.
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Post by mr. excellent on Jun 3, 2021 17:30:51 GMT -5
If Marvel did that with Charlie Cox, I think it would be kind of mean spirited. It'd definitely trigger me, lol.
With the Mandarin, I think they learned their lesson. The Pietro thing was kind of mean spirited, but I'll blame the fandom more for that one. There was a lot of theory crafting that was going on that Marvel themselves never pushed. These are interesting scenarios you're putting out there though. We'll see.
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Post by mr. excellent on Jul 15, 2021 0:29:15 GMT -5
Over the past 4 years, Marvel has been criticized for using Iron Man to generate more interest in the Spider-Man movies. Fans from all corners of the pundit space have interpreted Marvel's use of RDJ in the Spider-Man films as an effort to turn Spider-Man into Iron Man Jr., often times (but not always) attributing this to Marvel's disbelief in the character being cool or interesting enough to stand on his own two feet. Now that Iron Man is gone and Dr. Strange will be involved in Spider-man: No Way Home, and also with the release of a variety of merchandising showing Spider-Man to have new mystical suit, the charge has been shifted to calling Holland's Spidey "Dr. Strange Light" or "Dr. Strange Jr" or whatever. Regarding this interpretation for both Iron Man and Dr. Strange in the Spider-Man films, I wholeheartedly but respectfully disagree. That said, this assessment of the MCU Spider-Man character and movies has persisted to a level that I feel Marvel and Sony should actively address.
I think that prior to Jamie Foxx spilling the beans of his involvement (I believe he was the first of the "smoking guns"), we could all see Spider-Man being forced to work on his own for this next chapter. It was speculated that maybe Kraven would be a hired gun to take Spider-Man out and that he'd be fighting to clear his name. Before Foxx shared his involvement with this next installment, no one really anticipated that the multiverse would play into the next film. That being said, I was one of the fans who, while I enjoyed other characters in the MCU showing up in Spider-Man films and interpreted their involvement differently than those whose opinions are described above... I at least hoped that Marvel would give those fans something they could get behind: a friendly neighborhood Spider-man that stood on his own two feet.
While this movie hasn't come out yet, I feel confident in saying that fans probably won't feel that way when all is said and done with this movie. Even if after seeing this movie I don't interpret the film as trying to have Spider-Man depend on Dr. Strange, I'm sure other fans won't see it that way. I can only hope that I'm wrong and that this film delivers in a way that exceeds fan expectation. To be perfectly honest, I have grown somewhat impatient with a large swath of the Spider-Man fandom who actively campaign to go back to the days when Spider-Man can go back to playing in his own sandbox all by himself. We've had 5 films that did that within a 13 year span of time. While the MCU has also given us 5 Spider-Man appearances, those appearances have only spanned across 6 years, and none of those years gave us Spider-Man crossing over with the characters he's been most famous for crossing over with: The Fantastic 4 and the X-Men. As popular as the MCU is, it won't last forever, and now that they finally have F4 and X-Men back, people want Spider-Man to go back to play in his own sandbox by himself? The time to fight to keep Spider-Man in the MCU is now, not later. Especially because fair or not, superhero fatigue is real. Even I feel it, and I love this sh#t.
While I do believe the MCU will continue to evolve and endure, we're still in the Golden Age, and THAT won't last forever. We also don't know how much longer Feige is going to stick around. Let's face it, he's put himself in a position to do whatever he wants. At what point is he going to decide that he's done it all, and look for the next challenge? The man is only 48 years old. My hope, is that Marvel can continue to invigorate audiences through at least one more phase beyond phase 4. I'm sure they are planning on introducing the X-Men once Feige's five year Phase 4 plan is executed. We already know Fantastic 4 is in development. With that, I'm hoping we can get the X-Men with Spider-Man involved in some capacity, as well as getting Spider-Man involved with the Fantastic 4.
My point is, once the general audience moves on from these types of movies, we may not get the chance for this type of cross over again. Sony already believes it doesn't need Marvel Studios, and Marvel Studios for better or worse doesn't need Spider-Man. If fans feed into that, they just may get what they're asking for, and we may never get to see Spider-Man cross over with the X-Men or the Fantastic 4. If we do, it'll likely be when these movies are no longer being produced at the level of quality they currently are, and that would be a shame. Again, the golden age won't last forever. Disney acquiring Fox was something we wouldn't have imagined was going to happen back when the Fox X-Men and Raimi Spider-Man were at their peek, and we certainly didn't see it happening when 2012's Avengers was coming out. At that point we were still hoping Sony's movie division would be acquired by Disney, which even then didn't seem all that likely. Now that we have those characters and Sony is open to future collaboration beyond their current deal, I think we as fans need to support Spider-Man being in the MCU as much as we can UNTIL we get those cross overs. Once we do, then I'll have no issue with him going back to his own neighborhood for however long.
Last thing: I'd be happy with the solo Spider-Man films being more Spider-Man centric going forward from No Way Home, as long as he has a chance to cross over in meaningful ways with the MCU and the movies (Sony's Spider-Man films and MCU) can at least reference each other in meaningful ways. What do you guys think?
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Post by mr. excellent on Jul 22, 2021 16:53:05 GMT -5
comicbook.com/movies/news/spider-man-no-way-home-trailer-marketing-marvel-studios-kevin-feige-coordinate-sony/From Comicbookmovies June 19, 2021- In a new interview, Walt Disney Studios marketing president Asad Ayaz says Feige also has a hand in Sony's No Way Home campaign: "Sony is absolutely handling the marketing for Spider-Man. Kevin Feige and his team are closely partnering with the Sony team on those. So there is coordination in that sense," Ayaz told The Hollywood Reporter. "We also make sure we are aware of who is dropping what when. But we are not working together on the campaigns because it's their film. They are handling it but there is a level of coordination to make sure that it's a win-win for everybody." A lot of people have taken to saying that Kevin Feige is in charge of marketing for No Way Home, or that Marvel Studios is in charge of marketing. That's simply not true. People are now starting to say that the part of the quote on Disney making sure marketing is "a win-win for everybody" means they'll probably wait until after Shang Chi comes out so as not to take interest away from that film. To that I say, this isn't very creative rumor spinning, and I hope that isn't the case. Sure, it sounds reasonable, but that's for the same reasons it was reasonable to assume the trailer would come out after Loki and Black Widow too. To that end specifically, this is the exact same line of reasoning was used for many an incorrect prediction on the trailer dropping dating as far back as Falcon and the Winter Soldier's finale (and earlier even). Incorrect prediction videos on NWH's trailer debut are popping up on YouTube just about every day. We clearly don't know what the hell is going on or what the strategy is. Shang Chi comes out on September 3rd, a whole 6 weeks away, and I simply don't see the reason in Sony waiting until then, 4 months out before the movie debuts, to drop their first teaser. Any time within the next 3 weeks seems reasonable though since we are past Black Widow's first two weekends, are well within the 6 month from release time frame, and Shang Chi does come out in about 6 weeks. If they drop the No Way Home trailer now, they can get people beyond just "us" talking about the movie for a couple weeks, then hit them with some more Shang Chi materials as they ramp up that marketing to get people pumped for the movie's release. I guess I can agree with the reasoning behind the rumors, but the incessant "scoops" from of people who claim to know when it's coming is exhausting. Call it speculation, it'll be easier to stomach. There's also this bit of fun: www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/no_way_home/spider-man-no-way-home-theaters-are-now-using-fan-made-posters-to-promote-the-spidey-threequel-a186677#gs.74ysntI dunno if this is a good thing or a bad thing. Wish I wasn't so close to the situation so I could just be unexpectedly surprised when the trailer eventually does drop.
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Post by mr. excellent on Jul 28, 2021 16:32:44 GMT -5
I'm going to start this off by saying that I've fought really hard against myself at posting multiple trailer updates, or the lack thereof, for several weeks now. Had I not, I think this thread would've read like a preteen girl's journal experiences on the Oregon (pronounce it "Oh-Ray-Gahn" as you read it) trail. That said, here's a post on the trailer updates.
Sony's international branches have continued to post at random, "discrete", non-updates that can be interpreted as Spiderverse appetizers for No Way Home. I say "discrete" because in this day in age, nothing on the internet is discrete. Anyway, there's another rumor going around that I've resisted even mentioning because I'm becoming superstitious about all of this stuff. Ridiculous, but such is life. Anyway, this rumor I'm referring to is the one where Sony is holding off on putting a trailer out because they don't want to risk spending money for the marketing only to have to push the movie back and then remarket the movie. This rumor calls on very practical reasons for holding back. While it's understandable that Marvel wants to coordinate with Sony for the marketing on this one very closely, at this point in time there have been a variety of strategic dates that have already passed that could have served the Sony project well without detracting from Marvel's projects. If anything, this will feed into the other projects more than the others (we all presume). So as much as I hate to even acknowledge the rumor, the more time that goes by, the higher the likelihood of its truth.
We still don't know when the trailer will come out of course. I'm salty at the idea that they were holding it back because of Shang Chi, simply because there's an equally popular rumor that exists simultaneously saying they want to bolster Shang Chi's theatrical attendance by including a Spider-Man trailer. An old, but classic, theory whenever trailer dates are predicted. I certainly hope they're not holding the trailer back for after Shang Chi's theatrical release, but it would still be nice to get the trailer before Shang Chi arrives. I have almost no confidence in that happening because of the amount of times the trailer release date has been inaccurately predicted, but if I had to make a prediction, I'd bet it comes out before Shang Chi hits theaters on September 3rd.
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Post by mr. excellent on Aug 8, 2021 19:24:51 GMT -5
Promo Art! www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/no_way_home/spider-man-no-way-home-promo-art-sees-spidey-swing-into-action-with-doctor-strange-a187066#gs.7yd81fAnother day, another post. I will end up being just like those preteen girls on the Oregon trail after all. Considering how Suicide Squad performed, and the way Jungle Cruise performed, and of course Black Widow, I can see the least desired outcome coming to pass: Delay. The Venom 2 trailer didn't even include an official release date anymore, it just says it's coming in the Fall. At the very least, I do wish Sony would give us something from the movie, even if it's spoiler free. Yes, Cinemacon is coming up and they do have a panel there, but there's a chance that what they show won't be released to the public and will only be left to discuss based on the description of others. Here's a slightly different take on my frustration, and I think some people will be able to relate. There's a good chance this will be the last "solo" Spidey flick in the MCU. Depending on if the MCU endures or how they go forward 10-20 years from now, maybe the character can return. However, right now when Marvel Studios is at the height of their creative powers and now can use all of their classic heavy hitters, this is the time to get the most out of the shared universe arrangement. So, if there's this strong chance that this is the last time we're seeing Spidey in the MCU, we want to talk about it. We are talking about it, but that talk is so enhanced when you have something real to base it off of. Assuming the movie keeps its release date, (I hope it does), that gives us only 5 months (or a lot less than that depending on how much longer we have to wait for the trailer drop) to speculate and have the conversations we have as a fandom based on something official. As of now, we have promo pics and some toys, but no further context, and no word on when the trailer will drop.
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Post by mr. excellent on Aug 22, 2021 20:52:09 GMT -5
It appears the trailer is widely believed to be released tomorrow. Apparently there's already a leak. Over at comicbookmovie.com I was reading in the comments section. There's meme's of Dave Chapelle's famous crackhead character asking "ya'll have any of those 144p trailer leaks??" It's pretty accurate. There are posts of "the trailer" recorded from a cell phone from another guys' cell phone, and so on. It's hilarious. I dunno if this is what Sony and Marvel wanted, but if this trailer doesn't deliver I honestly don't even know if it matters.
The Eternals official trailer should've made a bigger splash than it did. My suspicion is that people just want Spider-Man. As someone who was at one point anticipating Eternals more than any other Phase 4 release, I can't blame them (the fandom). Why did Sony wait so long to release this damn trailer? Maybe they'll reveal a lot of crazy shit that just had to wait until a few Disney+ shows had been released. I dunno. I guess we'll find out tomorrow... Maybe. Hopefully it delivers.
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Post by BackinBlack on Aug 23, 2021 21:08:50 GMT -5
Oh where do I start. 1. FINALLY! 2. This is exactly what I was expecting after the end of Far From Home. Even without the multiverse stuff, this is going to be a different Spider-Man movie. 3. Wanda and Loki welcome you to the "break the space-time continuum" club, Peter. 4. I lost it when the OG pumpkin bomb rolled in with that certain laugh. Yeah, I'm stoked, and we haven't even seen Tobey and Andrew yet.
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Post by mr. excellent on Aug 24, 2021 2:16:44 GMT -5
Absolutely BIB, on all accounts, yes! It's times like this that I wish Sony hadn't deactivated their Sony boards. I'd love to go back and talk to some of those guys now, considering how far we've come in the movie sphere. I'd have to agree about the Raimi era pumpkin bomb. It's so funny, like, I think Molina is clearly the best executed live action Spider-Man villain, but to get Willem Defoe back as the Goblin made all the hair on my appendages stand on end.
I won't lie, I watched that potato of a trailer, and thankfully the quality was so shite that I didn't catch half of what was going on! While I regret it a little, what I did see was already accidentally confirmed by Alfred Molina months ago, so not much harm done. Part of me was convinced we wouldn't get a trailer today, so I kind of spite watched it like a jackass.
Also, I have to say, this looks absolutely stunning. With the exception of the de-aged Doc Ock, these are easily some of the most spectacular visuals I've ever seen for a Spider-Man movie, including in animation. That train was just gorgeous. It kind of looks like the train from Spider-Man 2, doesn't it?
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Post by mr. excellent on Aug 25, 2021 14:06:33 GMT -5
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Post by mr. excellent on Aug 29, 2021 2:48:27 GMT -5
I've been watching clips from the Raimi trilogy, and one thing that stands out to me now that we have so many superhero movies is how durable the goblins are from Raimi's trilogy. They literally have to get stabbed through the heart (or the balls in Goblin Sr's case, as Dylan assesses it) to be put down for good. Harry beat the hell out of Peter before Pete got the jump on him and he'd only been the goblin for a few hours. This despite all of Peter's experience. Granted, he surprised Pete, but still, with the Spider sense it's still impressive. Harry put up another really good fight against symbiote Spider-Man. Harry lost that fight because a pumpkin bomb blew up in his face. Goblin Sr. was even more vicious. Not many other villains in superhero cinema have been as aggressive in hand to hand combat, all things considered.
Oddly enough, I'm looking forward to (and hoping) to see Willem Dafoe just as much as Alfred Molina. I also rewatched the final Goblin fight scene in TASM 2. DeHaan's Goblin is also really brutal, but Peter's given a skill advantage in fighting over Harry in this version. That scene with Gwen falling, for me, is easily the saddest in all the Spider-Man movies thus far.
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