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Post by BackinBlack on Nov 16, 2021 21:21:45 GMT -5
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Post by mr. excellent on Nov 17, 2021 11:03:30 GMT -5
While I wasn't thrilled with the look of the CGI in this (I was really impressed with the final product in Far From Home), I'm super, super excited. Holland attended a special press event in LA last night and he talked about doing a type of fight choreography we've never seen in a Spider-man film before. You guy's know me with my fight choreography. I kind of wonder if that's when he's using the integrated suit with Dr. Strange's magic. In a way, I hope he's not because we've seen Socerer's magic before. If it is though, maybe they'll give it a spidey twist. Still sounds cool.
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Post by brotherandbassist on Nov 17, 2021 14:44:45 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about it. I thought I'd be more excited but pretty much everything in the trailers fits the leaks and I'm honestly not a big fan of how the leaks play out because it sounds predictable and underwhelming. Basically a big battle on Statue of Liberty with three spider-men in front of some huge portal. Villains either die or go back into portal. Sounds so redundant. I just hope this movie isn't pointless fan service. Endgame was earned but with this I'm not sure. I wanna have high hopes but eh, we'll see.
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Post by mr. excellent on Nov 17, 2021 15:22:44 GMT -5
Better not to get your hopes up. Time and time again, going in with zero expectations be they positive or negative leads to being pleasantly surprised. I do think they'll deliver, even though I wasn't 100% thrilled with the trailer.
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Post by mr. excellent on Nov 18, 2021 19:24:48 GMT -5
Spider-Man No Way Home The Most Cinematic Superhero Movie www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/no_way_home/spider-man-no-way-home-tom-holland-praises-willem-dafoe-and-promises-the-most-cinematic-superhero-movie-a189652#gs.gc2ui7Always take the praise of an actor for an upcoming project with a grain of salt. That said... Tom has been in Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame. While those movies have already come out and he's not hyping those, when an actor makes a super bombastic statement like this, it does warrant some attention. It's not like he's saying, "The movie is great, you guys will love it!" He's making a much more bold claim here. Now, if you're one of those that doesn't like the big cross over events as much as a very well done standalone adventure, you also have to consider that Tom has most likely seen Shang Chi* and Black Panther** as well, and he's still making this claim. So, if he's saying this movie is more cinematic than ALL of those, then we just may be in for something special. *According to Simu Liu, Tom Holland sent him a very enthusiastic email about the Shang Chi movie **Of Black Panther, I have no evidence, but it is unlikely he missed it considering the cultural significance of that movie and Chadwick's impression on the industry. |
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Post by brotherandbassist on Nov 26, 2021 19:19:27 GMT -5
I'm starting to be curious of where this is going. Do these five villains get sent back to their respective fates? Do them being there make branches in the Amazing Spider-Man and Raimi Spider-Man timelines? I'm genuinely curious. Also, how will multiverse carry over into Peter's rumored college age trilogy? I'm honestly hoping its a more self contained trilogy focused on his own typical friends and rogue gallery. I wouldn't mind Daredevil or Human Torch showing up as his buddies, but outside of that I'd love if it was mainly just Peter and his cast of characters with any set up for other things being more subtle or in credit scenes like it was in phase 1. I miss that
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some villains and things I'd love to see:
Kingpin. Save him for movie 6, have him run everything behind the scenes in 4 and 5 and be in competition with the MCU version of Norman Osborn. Movie 6 could be a Spider-Man and Daredevil team up where they take him down for good.
Spider-Man 4 could be about Scorpion, Kingpin secretly hired him and bamboozled J Jonah Jameson into thinking he helped create his persona to kill Spider-Man when he really had hidden motives
Spider-Man 5 could cover Mr Negative, I'd also love to see the villain Freak. I know I'm probably the only one but its such a dark ,relatable character. If I remember correctly Freak was an addict that because of his addiction mutated into a monster like character. It would definitely generate a lot of discussion.
Then of course across this new trilogy or the seasons of shows they are rumored to plan inbetween, you could develop the relationships Peter has with Johnny Storm and Miles Morales. Johnny Storm could be bumped up in age to be his college buddy and Peter could be training Miles to replace him. Also, Donald Glover as Prowler. They gotta set that up for the Miles Morales movie
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Post by BackinBlack on Nov 26, 2021 20:08:58 GMT -5
I'm starting to be curious of where this is going. Do these five villains get sent back to their respective fates? Do them being there make branches in the Amazing Spider-Man and Raimi Spider-Man timelines? I'm genuinely curious. Also, how will multiverse carry over into Peter's rumored college age trilogy? I do have a theory on this that seems feasible. Perhaps all the Spider-Man movie universes (including Venom and Morbius) will merge into one in order to keep reality from breaking, and as a result will change Peter's history (most likely making his identity secret again) and incorporate elements and villains from Raimi and Webb's films into the MCU, ala DC's Crisis on Infinite Earths. There's enough intervening time between movies where Peter could have fought all the villains and not affect what we've already seen. It also would explain why the Morbius trailer shows stuff like OsCorp tower and the Daily Bugle as a newspaper. This could also be Marvel's way of bringing some big name villains for the "Freshman Year" prequel series coming to Disney+. But on a more emotional level, this could give Maguire and Garfield proper farewells. |
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Post by BackinBlack on Nov 29, 2021 19:37:21 GMT -5
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Post by brotherandbassist on Dec 3, 2021 20:58:14 GMT -5
If the first trilogy is Peter being mentored then maybe Peter is the mentor in the new one
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Post by mr. excellent on Dec 5, 2021 17:48:54 GMT -5
Spider-Man No Way Home Villains Panel
Hopefully the movie shakes out, obviously it's going to make money, but I mean I hope it becomes a Spider-Man classic. I love, love, loved this interview here, but I always felt they totally messed up Electro's vibe. He was this unbelievable depiction of a nerd that simply didn't fit with the times. I get that it's acting and he's portraying a character that doesn't exist, but why not lean into the man's strength's? Being a quiet, push over isn't one of them. Anyway, seeing them all together was really cool. Alfred Molina is really, really funny and has a magnetic personality, so I hope he cuts loose a little more in this movie. In Raimi's Spider-Man 2, I thought he was a bit more subdued. Anyone short of Jack Nicholson is going to come off that way following Willem Dafoe, but I'll be happy to see a little more energy from Molina in this one. I think we will, honestly.
In response to coweatsquilt, I could see that, although I'd hope that wouldn't be too much of a focus. I'd rather Peter get more of the focus in the next trilogy, it's time. I have been more than willing to have him share the spotlight with the rest of the MCU because it was childhood wish fulfillment. They've done the work though and it's time for him to get centerstage in his own films. I wouldn't mind him showing up in Miles' film though. Miles should get center stage in his own movies as well, but they've proven quite capable of doing just that with their animated Spider-verse venture, so I'm optimistic for what they could do the character in live action one day, whenever that may be.
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Post by mr. excellent on Dec 11, 2021 15:01:23 GMT -5
This is sort of a specific thing to discuss, but does anyone wonder what their favorite act of the movie will be? Assuming there will be a 3 act structure I mean.
For example, in Endgame, my favorite is act 1. You get that crazy opening scene, followed by some great stuff between (of all characters) Iron Man and Nebula, followed by their return and the confrontation between Stark and Rogers, Thor beheading of Thanos, and the simultaneously heartbreaking and heart warming return of Ant Man. It's wish fulfillment for me, because I have always wanted to have a blockbuster movie really marinate in the aftermath of a cataclysmic event long enough to feel some emotion from it, and that's what they did. In Ridley Scott's "The Martian", the second act was my favorite. It was the meat of the movie and is the only movie to ever be almost entirely about problem solving (like STEM problem solving) that I can think of. For Far From Home, my favorite act was number 3. Spider-Man finally reached peak abilities.
With No Way Home, my hunch is that it's going to be Act 1 again though. The clips they've released all appear to be from the movie's opening act and it looks great. Spider-Man dealing with unwanted celebrity, having his entire personal life wrecked in a way this version has never had to deal with. It also promises to deliver a fun conflict between Spider-Man and Dr. Strange, as well as the antagonistic re-introduction of 2004's Doc Ock! Things are going to get so bad for Spider-Man that he asks Dr. Strange to literally change reality. Obviously he doesn't understand the ramifications of what he's asking, or the things that have happened outside his own story that have contributed to all of reality collapsing, but still. That's desperation.
We as fans keep talking about how we want Spider-man to stand on his own two feet, use his own brilliant mind and his fists to fix his own problems. We complain about how Marvel doesn't seem to trust Peter to be the solo lead in his own movie. However, in this film, it really does seem as though Peter is going to have to take point to clean up the mess because 1) Doctor Strange is at odds with him and 2) he has his hands full.
What has me the most excited is the fact that any of the 3 acts has the same potential to be the best act. I'd imagine Act 2 is all about continuous escalation of the threat of more and more villains coming through and Spider-Man constantly being on his back foot. This is where something devastating is most likely to happen, and while I don't want to lose ANY of the characters, when I think about the impact Joker's bargain (choosing between Harvey Dent and Rachel Dawes) had on The Dark Knight movie, I get chills thinking about the possibilities for Spidey.
Act 3 is usually where they put their craziest set pieces, and this movie is supposed to have the craziest Spider-Man action of the Holland era. The other two Spider-Man films have done a great job with the action in their films too, so I'm very hyped about where this action will fall. There's a good chance the solution to this movie's central conflict will require someone to sacrifice themself, and I'm getting the feeling it will be Spider-Man. I don't think he'll die, but considering all the background stuff between the studios, in the not so distant past Kevin Feige said "Spider-Man is the only superhero with the ability to cross cinematic universes". I think he's going to leave his own universe to go and inhabit the one that Sony is building with Venom and Morbius, and when Feige calls, and if Iger or whoever is in charge of Disney can make the deal sweet enough for Rothman, then Spider-Man will return for special occasions.
In spite of all that though, Act 1 is going to be my favorite Act I feel. It's going to somewhat deliver what I originally wanted for the follow up to Far From Home, which is Spider-Man against everyone. The entire world is out to get him. Thursday can't come fast enough ya'll.
EDIT: Let's hear it for Dr. Strange while we're at it. The character has delivered in every single appearance he has had, even when he wasn't used for that long.
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Post by mr. excellent on Dec 15, 2021 0:52:21 GMT -5
So far, 82 out of 85 reviews are positive, and we're at 96% positive reviews. At this point, it's very unlikely the movie will dip to negative, but the percentage is obviously more likely to go down than it is to go up. That said, I'm surprised that some people are making bold claims such as "this is the best Spider-Man movie ever" or even more bold "this is the best MCU movie ever" or the most bombastic statement I've seen: "This is the best superhero movie that's ever been made".
That's exciting. I have tickets to see the movie on Thursday, on Monday, and after that I don't know but I don't have any IMAX tickets yet. I'm definitely going to have to consider it.
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Post by BackinBlack on Dec 19, 2021 5:54:43 GMT -5
Okay, I have never cheered so hard at or had such emotional investment in a movie before. The hype and Endgame comparisons are not exaggerated. And in terms of a trilogy, it definitely brings things to a close in a satisfying if bittersweet way that makes you interested in seeing where it will go next or if Sony and Disney's relationship turns sour again at least has a sense of closure.
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Post by mr. excellent on Dec 19, 2021 15:37:39 GMT -5
Pandemic Era Records www.wsj.com/articles/spider-man-no-way-home-swoops-in-with-a-pandemic-record-opening-11639944701Same, I had couple moments myself to be honest. There were things that happened in this movie that I didn't know I needed to happen, resolutions that I never thought would be resolved. Hell, performances that were every bit as good if not better in some regards as the originals. I'm not even talking about Jamie Foxx either, although he did a great job with his second chance as well. Love this reception. |
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Post by BackinBlack on Dec 19, 2021 20:21:50 GMT -5
In regards to "as good if not better", I think this film cements Dafoe's Goblin as the king of Spider-Man villains.
Something I loved in my theater experience was how the crowd reacted and cheered to every returning aspect from the past films. It felt like Spidey fans were truly coming together, setting aside any misgivings and debates of the past.
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